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    Posted: 12/05/2018 at 1:43am
Hi, I’m having a bit of trouble looping relaxed. I want to relax more in the sholder and hand. But I’m having trouble, is there anyone that has some tips as to how I can do this (relax more)

My loops feel somewhat forced and I want to learn how to be a better FH looper :-)
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I find that focusing on tensing stomach muscles helps.

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You relax in the hand and shoulder to allow the hips and legs do their work in rotation. If you think about your hands and shoulder too much oyou probably won't find it easy to accomplish. It's better focusing on hip snap and feeling the weight transfer from right to left leg (for right hander). The relaxation will fall into place. Focus on using your body first, relaxation follows later. If you are using mostly arm and are stiff it won't be possible to relax in the required way to get whip and snap.

This gives you an idea of how the mechanics should be working. Try shadow swinging to get the feel. https://youtu.be/iR_ll18VZg8
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FruitLoop: amazing tutorial 😀
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I was facing the same problem until i saw a video last week saying the benefits of relaxing and just like that I started to do more relaxed loops and everything. It is like magic loops havor more speed, spin and I have more stamina.

I think it's a transition and you'll have to be aware that in the beginning mistakes will be frequent but in the end it's worth.
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widen all your movements.

transfer the weight from your back foot to yout front foot at the same time you twist your hips.
These way all your body works, not just arm and hand.
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My recommendation would be to either find a place or get a robot and train at home, or find a partner/coach that can work on perfecting your form when you play and feed you some multiball... What you are asking for is something that with practice it will naturally start improving in your game with time and practice. During practice focus on being consistant and make the loops more spinny than fast... Also if you want to loop more relaxed concentrate on the quality of the loop, the placement and the spin rather than speed. The better you will get in being consistant keepin loops on the table with spin, the more you engage legs to it the more speed you will develop with time. Some players also play tense, due to having large hands and small/thin handles on their blades (this often causes you to overgrip thus adding extra tension). Once again practice practice and eventually you will achieve what you want!
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Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

You relax in the hand and shoulder to allow the hips and legs do their work in rotation. If you think about your hands and shoulder too much oyou probably won't find it easy to accomplish. It's better focusing on hip snap and feeling the weight transfer from right to left leg (for right hander). The relaxation will fall into place. Focus on using your body first, relaxation follows later. If you are using mostly arm and are stiff it won't be possible to relax in the required way to get whip and snap.

This gives you an idea of how the mechanics should be working. Try shadow swinging to get the feel. https://youtu.be/iR_ll18VZg8

I'm going to plug TTedge.com . You will learn much there. It's sort of crazy how much can be learned from that site.
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Hi I got to test a little with a robot yesterday, what I learned when looking and trying to think on different things. Something hit me when watching videos, I think maybe I’m hitting the ball too far in front of me. Ben Larcombe said something that hit me:
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When it comes to getting into the right position it can be useful to think of a triangle.

Make a triangle between your shoulders and your hands by reaching out in front of you, with both arms, and putting your hands together. Then twist slightly so that your hands and pretty much in line with your right foot. Assuming you are right-handed this is the perfect positioning for your forehand loop.


When I make this triangle I hit the ball (at least) 25-30 cm further back. That combined with trying to use my feet, moving my center of gravitation ment that I hit the ball like a ton of bricks (I tried to slow down, but the speed and spin where much higher than I’m used to, it was really fun)
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Good work. Film yourself playing and you can analyse your strokes more effectively or even better ask others to comment.
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I have been struggling with the same problem.  Along with envisioning the triangle, I have found things to be more relaxed and reliable when I make sure I am staying low enough that my eyes are at ball level when it bounces.  Then I instinctively seem to come through the ball better.  There are so many things to think about in such a short time in making a loop, until you get it into muscle memory, I try to keep it simple.

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FL's way of envisioning it sounds good.

henningf discovered hitting too far in front hinders power transfer.

Kim Jung Hoon has forever advocated a little more rotation and striking the ball further back.

It isn't about hitting the ball much deeper in your strike zone (unless you were hitting way in front), but it is about using the whole body in sequence relaxed in a manner with leverage to maximize power transfer.

KJH makes good note about the importance of planting the hitting foot early in the right place (closer to the ball than you would think) Impacting the ball on the side (instead of front of body), yet use some more rotation (rotate into the ball weight going right to left and forward upon a center vertical axis), and finish stroke above head not past center. He is striking the ball just in front of his hitting knee about table height or higher. 

KJH spends a lot of time explaining that for spin, it is best to make the backswing go down, NOT to backswing past behind your tail (don't do the excessively long windup) Keep racket face consistent angle kinda open, and make a slightly concave stroke... not excessively so, but a little concave, not so sharp, but extended over some distance - a longer concave, just slight.

He stresses that one must decide what kind of loop to do early... and it is decided by your backswing. He stresses that if you are to drive the ball, go backwards with backswing behind ball, and for a spinny shot, make backswing low, instead of straight back.

KJH explains that the backswing is where you load your energy (He says to "Collect" your power) and wait for the ball to get the right timing. Avoid swinging immediately, it hinders power transfer. Avoid swinging with just arm, even if you can make some power, it is inconsistent. Avoid being stiff. Avoid standing up too early. Don't use so much arm snap that you are clocking yourself upside your forehead to bust your bat and give self a goose egg knot. Allow the swing to finish in front of and higher than forehead. Do NOT try to quickly bring back bat before stroke is finished, it will hinder power. The legs are not really rising so much to make you stand up... it is a more forward rotation with some going up.

The comparison about being relaxed, he says upon impact the scale of power from 1-10 it should feel like 8 or so at impact, but on backswing, your wrist arm should feel like 1.

KJH finishes by saying we should consider using TT to "untie" our stress in our life. This is a typical Korean attitude. Everyone oughta consider a month vacation in Korea for TT and food.


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Breathing helps, especially during drills. Exhale during contact or something like that.
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