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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Sounds like a terrible rubber lol...


I had first try with robot yesterday.  I'm comparing aibiss to fastarc g1 that i used the last two years, and t05/80 before.  This is on fh, I have short pips bh.  Blade is acoustic carbon outer.

You are right, most people will not like aibiss because it is so slow.  It plays just like bty says, spin of t80 with the speed of sriver.  High arc and low speed makes it really safe over net and on table.  But unless people buy wecs-gzlc blades i can't see it being popular with speed demons.

Aibiss is terrible for flat hitting.  Stupid easy to counter topspin close to the table and to receive short.  All what you would expect.  2.1 weighs 5gm more than g1.  I will buy 1.9 next time for the weight.  

Off one practice I like aibiss.  Not quite ready to sell my unopened g1s yet.  But my priority is landing many balls on the table with spin and placement.   Playing faster only gets me beat by my own pace as often as it wins.  Whereas making more opening loops and keeping  more receives short is just free points.

In a lot of ways Aibiss is like the rubber equivalent of a five-ply all wood blade.  It is not made to play from far.    You definitely give up some highlight reel potential.  And there is no magic in the rubber to cover up some faults like t05 or d05 can do.  But aibiss may help you to put the ball on the table one more time than the other guy.  
.   Interesting... Wouldn't a blue sponge hurricane 3 be much better suited for this purpose? 




sound like even commercial hurricane 3 neo would be better
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Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Sounds like a terrible rubber lol...

I had first try with robot yesterday.  I'm comparing aibiss to fastarc g1 that i used the last two years, and t05/80 before.  This is on fh, I have short pips bh.  Blade is acoustic carbon outer.

You are right, most people will not like aibiss because it is so slow.  It plays just like bty says, spin of t80 with the speed of sriver.  High arc and low speed makes it really safe over net and on table.  But unless people buy wecs-gzlc blades i can't see it being popular with speed demons.

Aibiss is terrible for flat hitting.  Stupid easy to counter topspin close to the table and to receive short.  All what you would expect.  2.1 weighs 5gm more than g1.  I will buy 1.9 next time for the weight.  

Off one practice I like aibiss.  Not quite ready to sell my unopened g1s yet.  But my priority is landing many balls on the table with spin and placement.   Playing faster only gets me beat by my own pace as often as it wins.  Whereas making more opening loops and keeping  more receives short is just free points.

In a lot of ways Aibiss is like the rubber equivalent of a five-ply all wood blade.  It is not made to play from far.    You definitely give up some highlight reel potential.  And there is no magic in the rubber to cover up some faults like t05 or d05 can do.  But aibiss may help you to put the ball on the table one more time than the other guy.  

In your described test above, are you sure you didn't mistakenly pick up your Hurricane 3 blue sponge racket instead?

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i wonder why butterfly launched this rubber...
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Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Sounds like a terrible rubber lol...

I had first try with robot yesterday.  I'm comparing aibiss to fastarc g1 that i used the last two years, and t05/80 before.  This is on fh, I have short pips bh.  Blade is acoustic carbon outer.

You are right, most people will not like aibiss because it is so slow.  It plays just like bty says, spin of t80 with the speed of sriver.  High arc and low speed makes it really safe over net and on table.  But unless people buy wecs-gzlc blades i can't see it being popular with speed demons.

Aibiss is terrible for flat hitting.  Stupid easy to counter topspin close to the table and to receive short.  All what you would expect.  2.1 weighs 5gm more than g1.  I will buy 1.9 next time for the weight.  

Off one practice I like aibiss.  Not quite ready to sell my unopened g1s yet.  But my priority is landing many balls on the table with spin and placement.   Playing faster only gets me beat by my own pace as often as it wins.  Whereas making more opening loops and keeping  more receives short is just free points.

In a lot of ways Aibiss is like the rubber equivalent of a five-ply all wood blade.  It is not made to play from far.    You definitely give up some highlight reel potential.  And there is no magic in the rubber to cover up some faults like t05 or d05 can do.  But aibiss may help you to put the ball on the table one more time than the other guy.  
.   Interesting... Wouldn't a blue sponge hurricane 3 be much better suited for this purpose? 
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Anyone tried chopping with Aibiss? 
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Sounds like a terrible rubber lol...

I had first try with robot yesterday.  I'm comparing aibiss to fastarc g1 that i used the last two years, and t05/80 before.  This is on fh, I have short pips bh.  Blade is acoustic carbon outer.

You are right, most people will not like aibiss because it is so slow.  It plays just like bty says, spin of t80 with the speed of sriver.  High arc and low speed makes it really safe over net and on table.  But unless people buy wecs-gzlc blades i can't see it being popular with speed demons.

Aibiss is terrible for flat hitting.  Stupid easy to counter topspin close to the table and to receive short.  All what you would expect.  2.1 weighs 5gm more than g1.  I will buy 1.9 next time for the weight.  

Off one practice I like aibiss.  Not quite ready to sell my unopened g1s yet.  But my priority is landing many balls on the table with spin and placement.   Playing faster only gets me beat by my own pace as often as it wins.  Whereas making more opening loops and keeping  more receives short is just free points.

In a lot of ways Aibiss is like the rubber equivalent of a five-ply all wood blade.  It is not made to play from far.    You definitely give up some highlight reel potential.  And there is no magic in the rubber to cover up some faults like t05 or d05 can do.  But aibiss may help you to put the ball on the table one more time than the other guy.  
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Originally posted by arteepr arteepr wrote:

I've tried it already on my belove blade Tibhar Fortino Pro . I usually use Dianchi D rubber as my main FH rubber and 007 Pro Selected on my spare racket so I can compare Aibis to them. 
Weight : Aibis > 007 pro > Dianchi
Speed : Dianchi > Aibis = 007 pro
Spin : 007 pro > Dianchi = Aibis
Blocking : Aibis > Dianchi > 007 pro
Stability on rally from long distance : Aibis = 007 > Dianchi
Close to the table : Dianchi > 007 pro > Aibis
Compare to pro Chinese rubber in my opinion. This Aibis is only better than them in blocking and stability while counter loop rally but on fast flicking or strong spin stroke it is make me disappoint a bit compare to lower price rubber.

Sounds like a terrible rubber lol...
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I've tried it already on my belove blade Tibhar Fortino Pro . I usually use Dianchi D rubber as my main FH rubber and 007 Pro Selected on my spare racket and I just got a sheet of Loki Arthur Asia so I can compare Aibis to them. 
Weight : Aibis > Arthur Asia > 007 pro > Dianchi 
Speed : Dianchi = Arthur Asia > Aibis = 007 pro
Spin : 007 pro > Dianchi = Arthur Asia > Aibis
Blocking : Aibis > Dianchi = Arthur Asia > 007 pro
Stability on rally from long distance : Aibis = Arthur Asia = 007 > Dianchi
Close to the table : Dianchi > 007 pro = Arthur Asia > Aibis
Compare to pro Chinese rubber in my opinion. This Aibis is only better than them in blocking and stability while counter loop rally but on fast flicking or strong spin stroke it is make me disappoint a bit compare to lower price rubber.


Edited by arteepr - 07/03/2020 at 11:08am
Blade:Tibhar Fortino Pro ST 87 g
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My customer had already reviewed and compared this rubber with 007 pro. Sound interesting.
My feedback : http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=58844&PN=1#726094
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Some initial pictures
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

ordered one for my TB ALC for fh

Since my h3 neo comm sheet has been boosted already few times and used for a while I’m going to compare the two.



Let us know what you think! 

I'm really interested...

Might be awhile since NYC clubs are closed but I recently went to NJ since they are open by appt only so hopefully I’ll test it out soon.
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Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

ordered one for my TB ALC for fh

Since my h3 neo comm sheet has been boosted already few times and used for a while I’m going to compare the two.



Let us know what you think! 

I'm really interested...
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ordered one for my TB ALC for fh

Since my h3 neo comm sheet has been boosted already few times and used for a while I’m going to compare the two.


Main:
Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g
FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm

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Anyone tried it yet ? 
I know it should be quality rubber but just wonder how far from H3 provincial.
My feedback : http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=58844&PN=1#726094
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I'm actually quite curious, because I'm looking for something better than the Hurricane 3 provincial orange sponge that I have for the backhand which doesn't cost a bomb like Dignics... the more spin it has the better....and it better have good short game control too!




Edited by blahness - 06/24/2020 at 1:43am
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Maybe in your opinion. Not sure how that means that Butterfly made fraudulent claims about products and are in financial distress.


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Si, Hurricane blue sponge from DHS is still number one.
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I am talking about your claims that Butterfly is in "big trouble", that they are making "no extra money", that they "lied about Hadraw", and that "quality has gotten worse since R series".


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Originally posted by andzejgolot andzejgolot wrote:

Butterfly company has very big trouble.
Social money for players
No extra  money from customers because a lot of us enjoyed Dynaryz anD Rhyzer , Omega V And Vii, Rakza , Bluestorm, Evolution, Rasanter
V15, and Fastarc, 

If you could list one rubber and say bty is in trouble because everyone likes new ESN rubber X, then bty would have a problem.  

If it takes ten competing products to match yours, you have no real competition.
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Originally posted by andzejgolot andzejgolot wrote:

Butterfly company has very big trouble.
Social money for players
No extra  money from customers because a lot of us enjoyed Dynaryz anD Rhyzer , Omega V And Vii, Rakza , Bluestorm, Evolution, Rasanter
V15, and Fastarc, so we will wait 2 months and they put Lemuria with old sponge and new topsheet because they need EJ money,
 they  didnt care about customers until Covid..They lying about (2 years cost us to make project of Hadraw handle) they discountined blade because they change production costs and they rebrand blade and add different thickness and add different name just because.
And they quality of blades looks worse and worse. Last good year of production was with R series...2017
 


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Yall should listen how japanese and chinese pronounced
Tenergy 
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Dignics and Lemuria was on Larc 5 years ago
Propably Aibiss is old name too.
Butterfly company has very big trouble.
Social money for players
No extra  money from customers because a lot of us enjoyed Dynaryz anD Rhyzer , Omega V And Vii, Rakza , Bluestorm, Evolution, Rasanter
V15, and Fastarc, so we will wait 2 months and they put Lemuria with old sponge and new topsheet because they need EJ money,
 they  didnt care about customers until Covid..They lying about (2 years cost us to make project of Hadraw handle) they discountined blade because they change production costs and they rebrand blade and add different thickness and add different name just because.
And they quality of blades looks worse and worse. Last good year of production was with R series...2017
 
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Donn, as much as Like a lot of your writings, I gotta disagree with you on Stiga… their conservative styling is wearable for years and the newer stuff always connects to the previous stuff. Stiga gear is pretty much a sure-fire timeless choice for jerseys and accessories.

Fashion has too many whims.. I think Stiga really gets it.
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Originally posted by LOG1C1AN LOG1C1AN wrote:

For all their success, Butterfly needs help in their branding department. Tenergy was the perfect brand name. Sounds cool, and perfectly captures the spirit of the product. However, that was 12 years ago. Who is naming these recent offerings? Rozena? Dignics?? Aibiss???

I very much agree with you.  I still have trouble pronouncing Dignics.  I thought too that Tenergy would lead to a new Butterfly era of marketing-oriented/artistically-influenced names that reflect the sensibilities and sensitivities of the branding brilliance you see in other products of other companies.  [OK, I do admit that Corona beer didn't work out too well.]

Something similar are the Stiga shirts of the Swedish National Team.  Here is a great company with great products and a below-zero sense of fashion in their (20 or 30 year old design) shirts that have the equivalent appeal of the anachronistic Wimbledon White.

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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Looks like an affordable D09c.  Tacky topsheet, 50 degree hardness ,$39.99 release date 6/25

Well, first; "affordable D09c" is an oxymoron, if the history of Butterfly is applicable.

Second; at that price point and that sponge hardness, my guess is that the sponge is just an old formula China-rubber-sheet-source and will perform as such, which is to say it will not play like Dignics.

Thanks.

butterfly selliing a cheaper rubber its suspicious
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The folks at Butterfly are going aibyssal on us, surprise!

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Almost tenergy was a good name as it came in with high tension and energy mixed together as well as a good product.

Dignics might make more sense in Japan

Also spinart for a tack rubber makes sense.
I'd like this to be rebranded under the Tackfire brand (take out the I) as like Tackfire for aibis and Tackfire X for the dignics would made more sense

Rozena at least sounds cool even if it's meaningless
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Tenergy is just as much a nonsense word as the others, you just already associate it retroactively with the successful product. 
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For all their success, Butterfly needs help in their branding department. Tenergy was the perfect brand name. Sounds cool, and perfectly captures the spirit of the product. However, that was 12 years ago. Who is naming these recent offerings? Rozena? Dignics?? Aibiss???
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