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shij421
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Posted: 11/30/2007 at 1:27pm |
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I think I've been too lazy with my footwork lately and have been relying on throwing my arm around when looping. Most of the time I get away with it but against choppers.. ouch.. Feels like a tendon or ligament is about to snap in my right shoulder. I know resting is probably the best way to go right now, but is there anything else I should be doing?
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Acupunture and massage therapy should help.
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bull_harrier
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Use your legs more when you play table tennis, most of the power comes from your legs and hips and core when from the correct stroke. Seeing a physio or therapist and ultrasound may help. What part of the shoulder is hurting? Also ice for about 20 minutes afterward play.
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Hm, also do a fix warming up before playing; I have the same problem, but you'll really feel less if you're sweating and your body is more "warmed up"!
Also as others already suggested seeing a doctor or physiotherapist is a good option. If the pain does not relieve, then I'd suggest some tranquillisers against the pain, but watch out with this, because you can even hurt it more than it already is, as you don't feel your pain senses. And the last option, as you didn't like it, but it still is just the main thing; primary solution to solve this: REST! So I would just do important things; like training and matches, but no fun or f**king afterwards. Charge/Burd your shoulder the least as possible! |
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dont play against choppers! ^^
but then u dont really have a choice in competition =P but then u can see it as a way to practice short push on long chops and spiny loops which should take as much from ur shoulders |
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JimT
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One of the problems is that usually you don't have access to ice that fast after the tournament. Secondly, I found that using your hips/legs too much can cause problems with that area as well - if I am not watching myself there then after a while I get an aching hip which reminds about itself every time I simply bend to pick up a ball... I was told that after long and exhausting tourneys it is recommended that you do a series of stretch/power exercises in about 2 hours after the end - for about 20-30 mins or so. Allegedly it helps to shorten the period of time when you are trying to recuperate afterwards... |
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shij421
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thanks guys , yah it's a ligament towards the backside of the deltoids and near the triceps. I'm definitely missing warmup each time and it's pretty cold in the gym where i play.
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Go to Chiropractor then, They can fix everything. But you must stop playing TT for a while until your shoulder recover.
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chinamike
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It could be that you have weak rotator cuff muscles... as a result you have an unstable shoulder joint... thus... your rely on your ligaments to keep that puppy in there... what should you do? rotator cuff muscle exercises!!! =)
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It could be a lot of things. Rest is the best measure for now, take some time off and maybe do a little light strength training to add some more strenght, hopefully i can offer some good advice for you on that. Don't waste your time and your money seeing a chiropractor. If you take time off and then play again and still feel pain, then by all means go see an orthapedic, a chiropractor can't even fix a person's back properly so i wouldn't even want to imagine what they would do to a shoulder.
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you should start by trying to use more forearm and less shoulder,masters of spin video is a good place to start.you can get this on ebay
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physiotherapist you mean |
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manluski
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hi
i never have problems with my shoulder, it elbow pain that i have. is it bad looping technique does any one have similar problems.
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peter79
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Well Physiotherapist is different with Chiropractor. The treatement is named Chiropractic. It's very popular in US, Korea, Canada.
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here's my 1 cent. i had this problem majorly ... and still living with it... playing and learned to subdue it.
1. this could be rotator cuff or bicipital impingement. if it was a tear you couldn't have played.
2. rest is good but we know how we are.
3. i have taken corticosteroid injections ... they did relieve the pain for several weeks
4. glucosamine+chondritin+msm tablets did help somewhat
5. the most help i got was when i changed the balance of my racquet from top-heavy hollow handle to realitively solid handle. this simple trick that i learned from somewhere in this forum worked miracle!!
best of luck :)
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oops i forgot to mention i went to physiothreapists also.. they did some deep tissue massage.. and after that i had pains all over instead of one place. ;)
they gave some ribbon exercises... which were not much help either.
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JimT
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Hi guys,
I just slipped on the floor so badly(my foot went off far far away after I jumped) and I pulled my right hamstring something awful - never was so bad before... that's what you get for making stupid long jumps when you know you are not getting the ball anyway (and I also should have exercised for more than 5-10 minutes before the practice). I can barely walk... I am out for a few days or for entire week. |
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shij, I am not a doctor but have been in competitive sports since I was 13. It'll take a few days to heal and feel better. A hot bath or hot tub usually helps as well as icing straight away after practice also helps a bit. Stay away from milk or dairy products for about a day after working hard, because it can induce soreness into muscles. I'm sure it is the tendons and ligaments getting taut by overuse of specific muscles if you're not getting immediate pain just from the motion. Accu pressure and chinese accu massage actually helps alot, as they will follow the ligaments and muscles and relax them. A well rounded weight workout for the shoulders and arms will be beneficial in balancing out muscle usage and build. And I don't mean you have to try to achieve 3 foot pythons for arms, but get them conditioned even if you start of with a low 20lbs. There are specific exercises that will help. This is probably the most beneficial to your arm in the long run. I use special circuit machines at the gym to strengthen my shoulders, arms and especially my legs/lower body. Cardio is good too, I began focusing my cardio workouts around real match times so my body and mind can get conditioned for 35-40 minutes. I don't think many TT players understand that hitting the gym is an integral part of being a performing athlete, especially if you want that sort of performance out of your body and your arm. Hope this makes sense. |
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shij421
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thanks alot guys for the many advice. I haven't been playing too intensely in the past week and it's definitely feeling better now. Weight training for the shoulders is a great idea, I will add that to my weekly routine! :D
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I second that phrixion
I have been in the gym and with my personal trainer
I have made HUGE and I mean HUGE progress in TT after I began in the gym
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IceDefense, what does your trainer make you do?
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JimT
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I agree that going to gym is integral - it's just that usually there is no time, and when you have it then one would prefer to spend it playing.
The best would be to somehow do all these wonderful exercises right there in your office or at home (while watching TV or playing with kids)... |
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I know what you mean. I work full time and try to commit myself at least 3-4 times a week. I figured on days I don't work out or practice TT, I want to work out a little so I picked up stuff for the the office and at home but also use these at the gym on cardio/core days. These are all about $20 each. The medicine ball was $25. I used to not be part of a gym and used these things but I must say, it's difficult to replace a gym. 1. I use two of these at once for squats. They are mushy so they work your quads, calves and all the muscles in and around the ankle and knees(lower legs), trying to balance on these while doing squats is a great challenge at first. Just remember to keep those legs shoulder width apart and your squats are squared and legs get to 90 degrees and knees shouldn't come together as you press up. Hamstring should be pushing down as you press up. Flip it over and it's good for push-ups, plank and other exercises. 2. Also, I have a 12lbs. medicine ball I use at home in front of the TV when i'm bored. I use this for abdomen rotation, sit ups, etc.. 3. Finally the strength band. You can flip this on a door knob, bottom of the door, your feet, etc and do bicep exercises, rotator cuff exercises, shoulder pulls, etc. 4. Lastly, a jump rope, if you don't like to run just jump rope for some cardio. 15 minutes a day is good start then it's easy to work up in a couple weeks. dumbbells are also useful, |
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I am currently having shoulder pain also, and have been seeing a physical therapist. She gave me a lesson plan on stretching and exercises for the shoulder. The regiment takes about 20 minutes to do, and involves 1 set of exercise, then stretching, then 2 more sets of exercises, then 2 sets of stretches. The exercises aim to strengthen the muscles around your shoulder and upper back. They seem to help. I've also stopped playing for two weeks to let the shoulder heal. Also, it's important to not overwork the shoulder while it's healing. If you continue to play, then play 20 minutes max, and rest 20 minutes before playing again. You may want to ice the shoulder after playing, or take some NSAID (e.g., ibuprofen) before playing to prevent swelling of the tendons. If they swell, they get into a vicious cycle where the swelling causes more stress in the tight space there, which in turn causes more swelling.
Good luck with your recovery.
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