Serving under the tossing arm: Is it Legal?

  asking some boys from europe that played wlq, said that they can see the ball a little but they see, but the problem is the masive spin wlq gets

takaaki, I thought my description was clear.

Most of us have two arms:

1. Ball is in the hand of this arm. This is the one that tosses 16+cms high.
2. Racket is in the hand of this arm. You hit ball with it.

Takaaki,
In the interest of fellowship, I've edited this thread.
Come on . . . let's be nice, okay?

Not that i wanna jump in here to defend 4 Tzai as Tzai himself probably doesn't need my assistance BUT I can't help but think that u, Takaaki just wanna pick a fight w/some1, outta the blue, in fact....

services are a touchy subject.  6-inch toss and move the toss arm out of the way during the service is the main rules, but I have two examples of borderline services that usually will not be called by umpires.
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I ran into a jamaican or caribbean player (fun guys too) at a tournament and they have this particular service.  They only do it every few points and it frustrates players who plays them because the services "looks" really illegal and probably borderline.  It's a real low toss towards the racket while the racket is moving forward at the ball...  basically to minimize any time you could figure what was happening with the ball. A fight almost broke out at the US Open after a nasty shouting match between a player/umpire and the jamaican/caribbean coach. Someone finally stepped between them and stop them before fists flew.  I was sitting right next to them as the confrontation almost got out of hand. They eventually called an umpire to watch the game and the ump didn't call what we all were seeing (there was 3 people in RRs and a bunch of us watching) as an illegal service about every 3 points. So it happens I learned a lesson here...

There are trick services that are borderline illegal and won't be called, so use them!
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On a more innocent note,  there's a young player who is making her way up and she began practicing a backhand under spin service.  Problem was she would only toss up the ball abut 1-2 inches (when she did toss).  The trick service here is to let the ball fall on the paddle rather than give the ball a toss, so basically the so the timing is much quicker than the normal 6-inch toss BH under spin service.

most of the time there was definitely no toss, but it was a really good trick service that would have stumped umpires too.  I had to call her on it once because the ball was not tossed at all but falls 6 inches. I just had to let her know that there needed to be a toss, she was generating great under spin too, which I hadn't seen a few months earlier at another tournament.  Once I figured out what she could and couldn't do with it, I just short pushed it back with just as much spin and stumped her. Her dad/coach made her stop the service because it wasn't working on me.

I would never have been exposed to this kind of trickery if I hadn't started playing a vast difference of competitive players at big tournaments.  Now I know to be prepared for anything and  if I miss the initial toss I move on and watch the contact, spin and speed.  I used to play with a lot of garage players with illegal trick services which I think helped me in the long run too

Theres a lot of the bh serve that is barely tossed. 

When you toss the ball high, you can't spin the ball. That is illegal too.

yep, as i remember, it is.

liXiao wrote: Isnt this no serving under tossing arm partly wh Liu Guoliang retired.

The rule was put into place mainly because of Liu Guoliang and other players like him.

it is legal

gurovski wrote: it is legal