Corkscrew is a killer, most advance spin? Anyone?

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Spindrive@50 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 08/18/2007 Location: Philippines Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote Spindrive@50 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Corkscrew is a killer, most advance spin? Anyone? Posted: 01/26/2008 at 7:52am
	I am confused. What and how really is a cork screw serve? Should you look at the following video at: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cork+screw+backhand+serve&search=Search Wasn't that a (shakehand) backhand side-under-spin serve, in which the ball is being hit from under with the blade's motion coming from the right/left side in relation to the table? And about this one: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ma+lin+serve&search=Search Wasn't that a (penhold) forehand backspin serve,in which the ball is being hit from under with the blade's motion coming from the back in relation to the table? In Ma Lin's case, the ball's rotation cannot be as stated in the following paragraph, can be? ... "In its purest form, if the label is facing you when the ball is hit, the label will seem to rotate in the center, not moving up, down, left, or right" ... I think the above statement is true on the first video, don't you think? So, how really is a cork screw serve is executed? HELP!!! PLEASE!!! Spindrive@50

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theman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Premier Member Joined: 09/22/2006 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 7234	Post Options Post Reply Quote theman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01/26/2008 at 8:34am
	ok get this clear, for a backspin serve, u r facing the table, it is hit from ur body to under the ball, corkscrew, is going from left to right or right to left, if u r look at the ball in terms of standing in front of table.
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kenneyy88 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Premier Member Joined: 01/06/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4074	Post Options Post Reply Quote kenneyy88 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01/26/2008 at 8:43am
	corkspin is just sidespin but on a different axis. So you can still have back cork, top cork. I'm not sure about how others do corkspin, but what I do is first put the top or backspin, then go under the bottom on the ball in a right to left or left to right motion. It's probably easier to get on the bottom of the ball with a higher toss.

theman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Premier Member Joined: 09/22/2006 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 7234	Post Options Post Reply Quote theman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01/26/2008 at 8:55am
	cork usually pops up right?
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anixon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Super Member Joined: 12/06/2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 418	Post Options Post Reply Quote anixon Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01/26/2008 at 12:30pm
	Here is the same guy showing it from a different angle. You can see what he does. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDNvp5ZkKT8
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tommyzai Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Premier Member Senior Animator Joined: 02/17/2007 Location: Tucson AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 9289	Post Options Post Reply Quote tommyzai Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01/26/2008 at 12:53pm
	I can do a BH corkscrew serve. If I hit it right I'll ace more than 1/2 the time. Yesterday someone was able to hit through it. BXSTXRD!
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liXiao Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Premier Member Joined: 11/27/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6145	Post Options Post Reply Quote liXiao Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01/26/2008 at 1:55pm
	I usually hit stong backspin on my fh, I sort of serve like guo yue, and on my bh i serve just simple, but heavy left side spin. I like my bh serve the most because i can get the most spin.
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superloop Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Beginner Joined: 06/15/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 81	Post Options Post Reply Quote superloop Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01/26/2008 at 7:47pm
	Spindrive's quote is correct. The corkscrew serve is neither topspin, backspin, nor sidespin. It rotates on the forward axis. This serve is very effective when used with a strong sidespin/backspin forehand serve. I am a righty and when I serve a sidespin/backspin forehand serve to my righty opponents backhand, they must touch bottom and the right side of the ball to push it back. When I hit the corkscrew serve, it looks the same as the sidespin/backspin serve. When they touch the right side of the ball to control what they think is sidespin, the ball rolls right down their paddle into the net.

Jeff(ATTC) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Gold Member Joined: 09/22/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1166	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jeff(ATTC) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01/26/2008 at 7:51pm
	I suppose one way to deal with a pure corkscrew serve would be to flat hit the ball right behind the ball at the center. Based on superloop's description I just realized my "special sidespin serve" is actually corkscrew.
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superloop Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Beginner Joined: 06/15/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 81	Post Options Post Reply Quote superloop Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01/26/2008 at 8:49pm
	Jeff is correct... I used to take lessons from a former US Champ that first showed me the corkscrew serve. He called it "The Unknown Spin". He was widely known for his great serves. He told me that at the beginning of a match, he would intentionally serve the corkscrew a few inches higher than the net. The opponent would flat smash it right on the axis of rotation for a clean winner. After getting his famous serve smashed, he would act all pissed off about it. After that , he said that his corkscrew serve would be below the level of the net where it should be. Thinking they figured it out, the opponent would try to smash it everytime and would never hit the table again...pretty tricky.

kenneyy88 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Premier Member Joined: 01/06/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4074	Post Options Post Reply Quote kenneyy88 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01/27/2008 at 12:22am
	You can't just hit through it , it if it is back cork, only regular corkspin.

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