Dipping/Tilting the shoulders

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   I've videotaped myself a few times now, and one of the things I've noticed is that I tend to dip my shoulders a little (somewhere between 15-25 degrees) on my forehand loop.  

I've watched some of the pros (either on World Class Strokes or the training videos)  and some have a little dipping, while others are much more straight.  For example, Waldner is/was pretty straight while Kong definitely had some dip.  Persson looks fairly straight, but I think there's just a tad of a dip there.  Anyways, the list could go on...

I'm wondering what is most technically sound?

I've done some thinking on this, and for really low balls (or looping very heavy underspin) I think one can't help but dip/tilt a little especially if the player is tall.  

I guess my question is...Should one strive to keep the shoulders very level, or is a little dip ok?

Any comments are appreciated...

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Booster Boy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 02/25/2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8	Post Options Post Reply Quote Booster Boy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Dipping/Tilting the shoulders Posted: 07/25/2008 at 3:26pm
	I've videotaped myself a few times now, and one of the things I've noticed is that I tend to dip my shoulders a little (somewhere between 15-25 degrees) on my forehand loop. I've watched some of the pros (either on World Class Strokes or the training videos) and some have a little dipping, while others are much more straight. For example, Waldner is/was pretty straight while Kong definitely had some dip. Persson looks fairly straight, but I think there's just a tad of a dip there. Anyways, the list could go on... I'm wondering what is most technically sound? I've done some thinking on this, and for really low balls (or looping very heavy underspin) I think one can't help but dip/tilt a little especially if the player is tall. I guess my question is...Should one strive to keep the shoulders very level, or is a little dip ok? Any comments are appreciated...

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varghesep Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Premier Member Joined: 09/28/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3111	Post Options Post Reply Quote varghesep Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07/25/2008 at 3:32pm
	Rotate the hip if you are doing modern top spin. The shoulder should move only by the consequence of hip move. The classic top spin can be executed without much hip rotation but the forearm movement - my shoulder rotate in such situations. If you are young and is in good shape, play the modern top spin game. Move Move Move and loop hard.

Halibass Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Super Member Joined: 11/17/2006 Status: Offline Points: 259	Post Options Post Reply Quote Halibass Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07/25/2008 at 6:50pm
	My coach can't get me to dip my right shoulder enough (right handed) on loops against underspin if that helps :)