Who actually likes water glue?

pingpongrob wrote: hungga wrote: If the water based glue ruins the blade then perhaps one have a strong case of making the manufacturer/dealer replace it with a new one, every time it happens. Tough luck I think. It is More likely that the Water based glue is Fine. Most manufacters want you to seal their blades, and infact some manufacturers have then factory sealed for safety. In this case I belive it was the blade that was faulty - This is not uncommon, as most sellers would agree.

More likely, and a better explanation, is that the water screwed up the wood. 

Blade manufacturers are notoriously weak at quality control, but adding water to the mix really worsens the chances of having a good blade after a couple of changes of rubber.

silverhair wrote: (Those pesky water rings on counter tops are proof.) Using water-based sealer on a blade is about as effective as using ether in a fire extinguisher.

Bet ya those weren't sealed with Top Quality Water Based polyuranthe Varnish. Your so up to date with water based finishes, shows that you really dont know what your talking about. Before you put your foot in it any further have a read of this.

http://www.floodaustralia.net/products/spandeck.htm

This is just one example of the technology found in water based products these days.

And for those of you that actually believed silverhair for a moment, take the time to read, its just one of the examples where a water based polyurathane will protect timber like no other. And No pesky ring either. 

Meh. Perhaps I should invest on a 1-ply 10mm. I don't play with this setup but I think it'll be useful for slapping a misinformer.

Speedplay wrote: silverhair wrote: pingpongrob wrote: silverhair wrote: (Those pesky water rings on counter tops are proof.)Using water-based sealer on a blade is about as effective as using ether in a fire extinguisher.  Bet ya those weren't sealed with Top Quality Water Based polyuranthe Varnish. Your so up to date with water based finishes, shows that you really dont know what your talking about. Before you put your foot in it any further have a read of this.http://www.floodaustralia.net/products/spandeck.htmThis is just one example of the technology found in water based products these days.And for those of you that actually believed silverhair for a moment, take the time to read, its just one of the examples where a water based polyurathane will protect timber like no other. And No pesky ring either.  Which one of us was a paint chemist and which one of us is a clerk in a paint store? Wow, you should really do your research before you try to insult people I believe the key word for your statement here is "was", I'm beginning to see why you changed career, from paint chemist to forum jerk.

If by "jerk" you mean keeping people honest, I'll accept that.

If by "jerk" you have a different intent, then ignore my posts. 

There, was that so hard for you to figure out?

I make blades and have used a variety of adhesives both solvent based and water based. I my experience after making a couple hundred blades, I have noticed that warping occurs occasionally no matter what adhesives are used.
Wood is not completely dimensionally stable. I have also check many of my factory bought blades (was an EJ for years) and found that almost all of them are slightly warped.  If were going to play with wood equipment then there will always be some degree of warping.  I would guess that most players don't check there blades really carefully and play with slightly warped blades, but it probably has no effect on there play.

If I make some one a blade and it warps I will replace it. If they keep it in the trunk of there car for months, warping is not my fault. It seems to me that we can not expect our equipment to meet absolutes. We live in a real world where we can only have reasonable expectations for our equipment. I would be shocked to find out that waterbased paints and adhesives significantly damage blades when used carefully in moderation, because in my experience they have not. 

I don't know who's got the truth in this topic, but I know that blades warp for all kinds of reasons and a thin waterbased sealing layer is not a major contributor.

Just my two cents,

Blade

I don't play tournaments, so I just stick with good ole rubber cement. I put it on my rubbers once and air it out, then apply it to the wood let it dry and press it on.  Once the rubber has a coat of it you only need to put a very thin layer on the wood for any re-adhering. I still think it's the best.

From what I read the water based stuff seems inconsistent, but I don't really know, I experimented with a few glues with poor results. It does amaze me that the manufacturers can make such a profit on the glues!

Let's see, since this is a forum am I supposed to insult somebody now? Or is it okay just to say what I think and leave it at that?

Speedplay wrote: Lazy by choice...

For the rest of us, its a matter of just using your own signature.

Oh no! I messed up that quoting thing in my last post. Noob is as noob does!

I've done everything by word of mouth, but I can take some photos of the blades I have in my bag and post them or attach a photo to a PM (if that's possible). It may take me a while though.

I have read this forum pretty regularly and also DTT, so I am pretty familiar with some of the epic disputes and some of the regular posters. However, I only post if I find a topic really compelling or if I think I have something valuable to say. If everyone was like me the forums would be more polite and respectful, but perhaps pretty boring.

I'm too far off topic here, sorry. No I don't like the waterbased glues that sell for like a %1000 mark up (not intended to be factual). Plus as is apparent from this thread, they warp peoples attitudes towards each other and their senses of humor!

How's that speedplay am I doing better?