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malong1 
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Hey guys,
I recently switched to Chinese rubber after playing Euro rubber for pretty much all my table tennis life. I started with some cheap Chinese and then just used Euro. So after I've gotten better, I'm trying Chinese rubber, but I'm having some difficulty adjusting. Please, can you offer any tips/tricks/techiniques for playing with Chinese rubber that is relatively tacky? Thanks in advance! 
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ckm423
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Posted: 03/16/2011 at 12:19pm |
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2 cents from my 10+ year experience.
1. tune your rubber with 1 to 2 layers of paraffin oil. 2. get a chinese coach 3. practice Edited by ckm423 - 03/16/2011 at 12:19pm |
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Posted: 03/16/2011 at 12:22pm |
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I don't tune my Chinese rubber or have a coach, but I still work well with it. One thing you'll have to learn to do is to brush loop or you won't get much spin out of it. You will need to use some power to get the most out of it since Chinese rubbers tend to suit a power looping style.
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Posted: 03/16/2011 at 12:32pm |
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Where did you learn your brush loop from?  |
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Posted: 03/16/2011 at 12:58pm |
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Remember to actively brush the ball if you're pushing or blocking, otherwise you may get seriously affected by the incoming spin.
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Posted: 03/16/2011 at 1:02pm |
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i think in most cases...
1. since you do not have catapult effect to work with anymore so you need more forward motion to put speed on it!! on loops and shortgame... 2. the tack will cause it to react to spin alot more... 3. the sponge is hard so you need to put more power into your shots also more forward motion so the ball can sink into the sponge... notice rarely does any chinese pro have a compact stroke ideally you should hit hard to let the tack grab the ball so it can sink into the hard sponge then it is much more powerful then european rubbers IMO.... also another pro side of chinese rubber is because of the hardness of the sponge it gives me more gears easier then euro rubbers IMO...
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Which is why my short game got worlds better after switching from Express 2 to H2 Neo.
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Telling a guy who is having trouble adjusting to "tune"?
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Thanks all for the help guys! :)
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Posted: 03/16/2011 at 4:56pm |
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tunning chinese rubber makes it easier to play and improve the "dead" feel.... also it makes it better at blocking and looping. |
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Will this work with new Chinese rubber as well? I like my H3 NEO but it annoys me that I had to use it for about week before it starts playing better. |
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Yes, definitely, but before you tune the rubber, peel off the thin glue layer on the sponge that comes with the Neo rubber. put 1-2 layer paraffin oil on the sponge (i use 38 or 39 degree sponge), let it dry for 1-2 days. Some people use Joola Expander before the oil for longer lasting effect. That's how I tune my Provincial H3, it plays so much better than the "stock" tunning effect. it generates more spin and gives more control. |
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By tuning with paraffin oil, you are making the sponge softer... and this to some extent defeats the point of playing with Chinese rubber. You may tune H3 Neos to reduce the break-in time with some of the Haifu tuners but I will advice against oil tuning if you REALLY wish to learn to power-loop, the way high-ranking Chinese players do.
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Posted: 03/17/2011 at 12:07pm |
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This is probably the best advice in this thread. Key is forward motion. I would also like to add taking the ball off the bounce or top of the bounce. Actually, these two, forward motion + taking the ball early applies to Euro or Chinese rubber. |
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Posted: 03/17/2011 at 1:24pm |
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from what i heard from the 2600+ players from the Chinese provincial team, pretty much the entire Chinese national team, provincial team members tune their rubbers with some kind of tunning oil or chemical, the purpose is to make the sponge more "lively" . It doesn't defect the point of playing with chinese rubber and effect power looping, IF you know what you are doing. By the way, not trying to sound like I am pro, but before you give out your comments, would you tell us what level of table tennis you are playing? We definitely need "high-ranking chinese players" to speak for themselves :) |
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i tuned my h3 pro 2-3 weeks ago. its as bouncy as my t64 (maybe a lil less) on my TBS blade. the whole point is to make it faster. you can still power loop but its a lot harder if you don't know how. the impact timing is a lot less so you need to swing either really fast and spin the hell out of the ball or do a short brush but quickly.
basically you can still do all the fun stuff of a chinese rubber but it's just a different feel.
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Ok, so if I tune my rubber with some sort of booster, the sponge will get softer and increase the overall speed?
How do you know how many coats to use? |
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preference. usually 3 coats is more than enough. you'll start to feel it coming more springy.
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I'd start with less, especially on a bare sponge.
Especially if you're using paraffin oil, that stuff adds more speed than spin. I'd recommend just starting with 1 layer on a bare sponge. Even that makes a lot of difference.
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its funny how this turned into a tuning thread lol.
Techniques to using chinese rubbers: - ability to read spin - power to hit hard - ability to brush loop - results will be maximized if you work on FOOTWORK since chinese rubbers are extremely demanding - DEDICATION
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Somewhere in between 2000 and 2100. Used to be in the borderline for qualifying for the junior national team year-after-year (18+ years ago). Now I have regressed a lot, and I play for the town I live in. BTW, some very good coaches I know are probably around USATT 1800-1900. You are right, they do tune their rubbers, but not to make the sponge softer, as is the case with paraffin (paraffin vapors expand the sponge in the very short term, and then it becomes 'flabbier') but to make the combo of sponge+top sheet more elastic IMHO. Edited by vvu.tee - 03/18/2011 at 1:11am |
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