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AnthonyTT 
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 Topic: Backhand Service?Posted: 05/06/2011 at 11:02pm |
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Just saw quite a few professional players use this in videos i've been watching. Here's just an example of the serve I'm talking about. Wasn't too sure on the exact name. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omxz3POb0nQ&feature=related
Firstly, I was wondering if there are any tutorial videos just to get the basics down pat and the Pros or Cons for this type of serve. Thanks in advance!
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Posted: 05/06/2011 at 11:28pm |
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I use this serve when I get tired. Instead of serving with my FH from the corner I can be in the middle and server with my BH. I don't have to move and my hand ends up in the ready position.
The disadvantage is the there are fewer options on what you can do with the serve. I am right handed so my paddle moves from left to right. It is obvious to the opponent which direction my hand is moving. I can also move my hand from right to left but this too is obvious and I am using my FH instead of my BH. |
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JohnnyChop
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Posted: 05/07/2011 at 12:19am |
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i think its useful... just a change of pace... i find i can do faster serves with the backhand then forehand with more angle of direction... i vary backspin and no spin to fast topspin all with sidespin or no sidespin(however the same sidespin) plus the placement... i think there is definitely enough variation
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Nori
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Posted: 05/07/2011 at 12:34am |
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gonnna be hard to generate spin with spectol :)
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king_pong
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LOL! Good catch.  I have to agree with JohnnyChop though. I've developed tons of variation in my backhand serve. My forehand serve is miserable, so I've had to learn this. It seems to work well. The only problem I see with the backhand serve is that it is served "straight-up", facing the opponent, and it is therefore what I'm about to do, than if I were to become adept at the pendulum serve. I'm always suspicious that I am "telegraphing" too much of what I am about to deliver. With the pendulum serve, being that you are standing sideways with your hitting hand obscured to your opponent by your body, the server seems to have more ability to hide his intent until the point when the ball is contacted. Often that is too late for an opponent if they can't react so quickly. Therein lies the biggest allure of learning the pendulum serve to me.
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tpgh2k
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you can hide quite a lot with bh serves too.....dead ball, fast serves, heavy underspin, heavy sidespin, you can even make people think you're serving underspin and actually make it sidespin or a mix of side/top.
the list goes on really... |
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Posted: 05/07/2011 at 4:49am |
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well i agree to an extent.... but 1. deception for me works best at medium amount of spin... to much spin then ppl can tell from the way it bounces... 2. you be suprised how much spin a SP can generate, granted its not as much as inverted but still very spinny (look at LGL) 3. i think for SP service you get more speed thus less time for the opponent to react... so weaker spin is okay for me anyways 4. plus i twiddle... so if my opponent is constantly attacking my serves because of its 'weaker' spin , i either serve FH or i twiddle so i can serve with my H2 i think all in all BH serve or FH serve they are just meant to be variations.... they are not better or worst... its always good to increase variations anyways... i think alot of pros they mostly serve FH and goes to a BH serve once in a while if they get caught in a slump to try to snal themselves out of it...
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Tinykin_2
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With FH serves a player can swing the balls both ways with disguise. I've never figured how to reliably perform a BH serve with clockwise swing (from R-hander POV).
Has anyone seen it done?
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Here is a quick tutorial on this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2qPfQLgdn0
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Perfectly viable serve imo and I was doing it quite often since it was better than my reverse pendulum while offering very similar benefits (the same rotation of sidespin especially). Topspin and backspin variation are easily doable and quite well disguised – and actually you can even achieve an opposite sidespin rotation very naturally (looks like kind of ‘reverse tomahawk’). I guess that it is easier to do if you happen to have a strongish backhand, but if you don’t then it may be a good method of improving one.
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Yep. The strongest server in our state (who is only a US1600-1700 player) does these variations, and absolutely confounds everyone including his regular US1900+ opponents. Even against these stronger players, he is able to play consistently close games on strength of serve and attack. By watching his contact and weight transfer, I learned how to vary underspin vs. deadball from him, and the side top variant; but still cannot read nor disguise heavytop/heavy under half as nearly well. |
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tpgh2k
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heavy top and heavy under is going to be pretty easy to see because of the amount of contact he needs to put on it (in my opinion). the one that'll really annoy you is when he does heavy side/under. then you start wondering if it's heavy side/under, under, or top....
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Posted: 05/07/2011 at 6:09pm |
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Danny seemiller uses this as his main serve. Also Primorac , li jia wei, dimitri otcharov,
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JBurn244
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Posted: 05/12/2011 at 11:27am |
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I use this serve quite a bit. I'll do mostly spinny ones, then in a clutch moment serve a dead ball with the same motion. Seems to really work well. Will throw in the occasional topspin variation as well.
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I don't know if its because his stance isn't facing the player dead on, but his serve seems to be very deceptive even to the top players in the world. Check out some of his videos, Ma Long pops up 1 in 5 of his Dimi's serves. Can anyone explain why its more effective then someone like Joo's?
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Yep. I'm constantly surprised at how often I get inverted players to hit completely off of the table with my backhand serve. The combination of fast server speed and varying between top, under and pure side spin cause more errors that seems reasonable. I'm using Dr. Evil on a hardbat. As for variation, one thing I believe I do well with my backhand serve is to vary depth. |
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I do that as a change of pace as well. It is essentially a reverse tomahawk. I can go top, side or underspin. The short underspin isn't really a tomahawk though. It is really a standard short underspin serve with a sideways motion (to the server's left). It is surprising how many inverted players try to lift that serve and put it right into the net. |
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I've been working on starting the serve like a standard backhand and then switching to a forehand serve after the toss - sorta like some of the serves that Jasna (formerly Reed - don't recall her current last name) does. Just with less overall gyration. |
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AnthonyTT
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Posted: 06/29/2011 at 1:26pm |
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Can anyone answer my post 4 answers above? :)
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Posted: 06/29/2011 at 6:44pm |
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that kind of bh serve has a lot of variations - underspin, no spin, side under, side top, side spin serves
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