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Sabito
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Hey Im basically asking to people who know chinese, Im so lost with mandarin that I dont even know how it works, I wonder how many simbols you can make? how many words does the chinese have?, is it more difficult to read chinese compared to other languages? I sometimes see alink writing here chinese with our typing letters (even more lost). Maybe you can enlighten me and teach me something about the ping-pong language, wait... maybe thats the secret, you learn chinese then some part of your brain is developed your eyes get different and youre done Thanks |
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alink91
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when I use english to represent chinese, Im using somehting called pinyin. Basiclly if you read it in english it will sound similar to a word in chinese qiu=ball pingpang=ping pong fa qui=serve dang qiu=block kwai qiu=quick attack xuan zhuan=spin la qiu=loop zhe pai hun da=RPB fan shou=backhand fang shou=defence shou qiu=chopper shui? qiu=chop chuo qui=push bu xuan=no spin zhen shou=forehand jiao pi=rubber ban zhe=blade dou ni ke=donic hong shuang xi=DHS ting ba=thibar se ti ka=stiga zhuo zhe=table pai zhe=paddle jiao shui=glue quai jiao=speed glue shen jiao=medium pips duan jiao=short pips chang jiao=long pips zhen jiao=inverted hai mian=sponge zhong guo gong kai sai=china open bai duan=make short (as in drop shot) chang=long shan xuan=topspin che xuan=sidespin nie che xuan=reverse sidespin xia xuan=backspin xia che xuan=sideback spin gao diao=high arched loop (the loop esspcially against backspin and is high arched and spinny) fa li=use power tway? zhang=traditional penhold bh chie?=chop fan la=counterloop |
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Sabito
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interesting, but can you answer my other questions? |
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Gizzle
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Hi Sabito,
LIke you said, the Chinese language uses individual characters, or "ideographs" (similar to hieroglyphs). There are more than 10,000! However, most people don't need to use more than 3,000-4,000. That's still quite a lot though. There is a "romanization" system for Chinese. Mandarin uses four tones (it is a tonal language, not like English.) This can be described using "pinyin". It uses English alphabet to phonetically spell out Chinese characters. There are special "accents" to indicate which of the four tones is used. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_language |
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faux123
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Yikes, Alink your pinyin is horrible...... there are mistakes in your translation. In Madarin (aka PuTonHua aka Common Lanaguage) which is the official dialect of China has: 21 consonants, 15 vowels and 21 compound vowels. The letter "q" in pinyin is equivalent to "ch" sound in english. So Wang Li Qin sounds like "WUANG LI CHING" in english. for example�F counter loop = fan (counter/opposite) la (pull) hu quan (spinning) qiu (ball) loop drive = kuai (fast) dai (bring) hu quan (spinning) qiu (ball) penhold = zhi (straight) ban (board) shakehand = heng (horizontal) ban (board) so reverse penhold backhand loop is zhi (straight) ban (board) heng (horizontal) la (pull) Hehe, straight word for word translation from chinese to english is very funny sometimes.
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To clarify:
The main written language uses "symbols" known also as characters. For those learning the language, especially foreigners, a phonetic system known as "pinyin" is used which helps them learn how each character is pronounced. |
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zzzuppp
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alink,what is it that Chinese commentators say when someone has executed a good shot? Sounds like 'Hao da'? with quite a guttural 'h'.
( Another favourite pronunciation I've picked up from Chinese commentaries:- Val-de-NAIR = Waldner My favourite Chinese pronunciation is for the great Anton Stipancic,Yugoslav player of the 70's-80's 'Sooty-pan-chi-chi'.) Do Chinese always use 'ping-pang' for table tennis? and how do Chinese people say 'China'? and what does 'chai ho(?)' mean? (which crowds chant when a Chinese player is on? I've heard it means 'more steam') |
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Sabito
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awesome guys, I suppose you laugh when you hear chinese coming from a foreign.
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faux123
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When commentator talk about a good shot they would say: hao (good) qiu (ball) or piao liang (beautiful) In China they use PingPong or Guo (national) qiu (ball) for table tennis. In Taiwan they use PingPong or zhuo (table) qiu (ball) for table tennis. In China people use zhong (middle) guo (nation/country) to say China When the crowd cheers for a player they would yell: Player Name "Jia (plus/add) You (oil/gas)" So for Wang Hao, they would say �wang hao jia you" equivalent to "let's go wang hao" in english.
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alink91
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faux123 is right on his last post but in the post before that by faux, I forgot, I was using pinyin and yes my pinyin is pretty bad although I think most of them were right. Some of the worlds you used compared to min such as RPB can be said in more than one way. For example, penhold could be said as zhe pai and shakahdn could be said as hen pai
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Some European names translated in chinese sounds so when you hear them in some of the videos you can connect them to the player. Waldner == Wa Err Der Nei Err Kreanga == Ka lin Ka Schlager == Sher La Ger Boll == Bo Err Samsonov == Sa Mer So Na Fu Saive == Sai Fu Maze == Mei Zhir
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I think Kreanga is ga lin ka and shlager is shi la ge and samsononv is sa mu se na fu and maze is mei zhi |
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tony7190
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yea, i think alink is right, cept sa mu so NA fu is supposed to be sa mu so nuo fu. I dun kno if that pinyin is correct, but it sounds the the "nuo" in "nuo" mi (sticky rice)
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alink91
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Actually I think ur right |
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faux123
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Hehe, my intent for the names was to not use pinyin but to use something equivalent in English because not everyone here knows how to enunciate the pinyin characters properly. So to english speakers, it would sound like "sa mu so na fu" even though the real pinyin is as you stated. Example in pinyin de sounds like "der" in english nuo is sounds like "nor" in english Cheers.
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Raymo
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Kreanga is actually Ge lin ka, and schlager is xi la ge |
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Same with chi and shi. Chi sounds more like chur and shi more like shur, but I think that's just how it sounds when it blends together in speech |
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on the kreanga part, I made another mistake, yes you're right and on shlager I think its shi as in a poem, shi la ge |
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DatSuKid
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Before all of your posts i spoke perfect manderin..... stop confusing me. I probably knew like 200+ charaters in chinese b4 and after like 2 years im down to 50.
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When I was 4 I learned 500 characters in 2.5 months, when I came back to america, I forgot everything. Biggest mistake in my life. |
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Chinese is one of those languages that's very difficult to pick up unless you use it a lot. Its similar to singing in that with just the wrong tone the meaning could be completely off (much more teenage angst of boys ). If you want to learn it its best to just go to China and live there for a few years.
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1.300.000.001 millions counting the yaping's son are way too many for my style of life, I think a better topic would've benn overpopulation instead of the muslim one. a better choice is to stay here and wait until the overpopulation and oportunities in china bring enough chinese people to reach a decent level of understanding. my dad told me that theres a chinese man in the university who came because of that.
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Thanks faux 123. This is a very interesting topic.The Pinyin method was adopted around 1981,before that in TT we had transliterations like 'Kuo Yao Hua' for Guo Yuehua,'Chuang Tse Tung' for Zhuang Zedong,etc etc.The changeover was confusing,but the pronunciation seems much clearer in Pinyin. For instance,China's first ever World Champion (in any sport!) Rong Guotuan was written as 'Jung Kuo Tuan' which,as you can see,is pretty different. |
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huawei
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it is usual for anybody making mistakes and doubtful during learning foreign language,just like me..hehe. The best way to solve doubt is checking dictionary.
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"coulier", i hear a lot when a good shot is made, or "how chow" does this sound right? could somone tell me what it really is?
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master-pong
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Chinese is a great language, that's why I'm going to study it next year ;)
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kenneyy88
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Yea I would like to know also, b/c my friend says this sometimes. |
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