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thejnal
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Posted: 07/08/2022 at 6:07am |
Hi, is there any inverted rubber (not grass, antispin, short pips) that allows to overpower the incoming spin? Eg incoming backspin to topspin? And also if you can please recommend a technique video, how to properly hit the ball to achieve the overpower the incoming spin. Thank you!! |
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WingTT
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It's not the rubber that overpowers incoming spin, it's technique and ability. Any of the rubbers that the top players use can do it but you will also need to have the right technique. If you have good observation skills and natural talent, you can learn from the pros from top level matches on youtube or you can get a good coach.
Edited by WingTT - 07/08/2022 at 11:59am |
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cole_ely
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You don't overpower or stop backspin with topspin. You go with the spin, lifting with the legs. You add to it. I can't tell tacky or non makes a ton of difference. It's just about arm speed, lift, and how low on the ball you may have to strike. Also it helps if you don't go exactly with the spin, but a little bit off the axis of rotation. No easy way out
Edited by cole_ely - 07/08/2022 at 1:11pm |
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blahness
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Yes there is an easy way out. A lot of ppl try to brute force loop against heavy underspin which I find very tiring and ineffective, as you're working against the spin rather than allowing the spin to work for you. There is a subtle technique that allows you to convert the spin for your own loop. Basically it's contacting near the bottom of the ball and then rolling/wrapping the ball using forearm pronation. The stronger your "roll" is, the stronger your topspin generated and the less on the bottom you'll need to contact the ball (it'll be more towards the back). With BH the roll is achieved using forearm supination. At higher levels, you can kinda "fake roll" even and fool the opponent - so basically you just contact the bottom of the ball and lift it without rolling the ball, then "roll" the air with the followthrough lmao - this actually produces a backspin, and when the opponent doesn't detect that the roll is a fake he would think it is topspin and then, watch him dump the block into the net kinda evil but even Waldner did this to Timo Boll repeatedly during the 2004 Olympics.
However, this is just overcoming backspin - for true power in the topspin (regardless of incoming ball), you need to know how to use the legs and transfer its power onto the ball. Ti Long has an excellent video talking about this. Edited by blahness - 07/08/2022 at 7:33pm |
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TwiddleDee
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The ball wrap technique reminds me of a modified open racket against underspin stroke that was popular with the small ball. Too many beginners try too hard to overcome underspin, and oftentimes find themselves with a hit and hope shot. By trying too hard, they tense up their grip and forearm, which doesn't allow for the top sheet to work work effectively. Beginners who spend hours and hours trying too hard, can oftentimes become very difficult to coach out of that tense game. I always try to teach beginners on how to loop underspin by first using a brush loop that is demonstrated around the 8:20 mark. With some players who can't seem to relax their grip, I will give them a somewhat spinny short pips ( tsp super spin pips, moristo sp, etc.) blade that forces them to relax their grip, or watch their ball go into the net every time.
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igorponger
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You can't expect to start the sport and be amazing at it right away. As is always the case, "practice makes perfect", no other way about.
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mykonos96
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Yes there s a rubber that is ultraslow way slower than any premade.
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blahness
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Agreed with all points. Imo it's easy to spot the players who skipped that phase, they try to go Super Saiyan whenever they see an underspin ball coz they're so afraid that with insufficient effort it'll die into the net. Toy around with the amount of underspin in the pushes, and these players will just commit so many unforced errors looping that they'll beat themselves. The players who understands how to borrow the opponent's underspin can relax and not rush the stroke regardless of how heavy the spin is, and choose how hard to spin/hit the ball depending on the circumstances which makes for a far more flexible, controllable stroke with many gears. Interesting idea about using short pips to "force" this understanding of how to deal with spin haha... I guess modern inverter rubbers are so forgiving that you can get to a reasonable loop without these understanding, so using short pips kinda helps to take away the crutch.
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