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Originally posted by ffx-me ffx-me wrote:

They are prety equa, and I would say right now Timo is better since he won


is this a joke? timo boll is a garbage player compared to any chinese player.
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Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

Originally posted by ffx-me ffx-me wrote:

They are prety equa, and I would say right now Timo is better since he won


is this a joke? timo boll is a garbage player compared to any chinese player.
 
Lixiao, while I'm basically 100% with you on the general Idea, you gotta give Timo more cred than "garbage player"
 
He HAS beaten Ma Long this year, regardless of the record, not many non chinese can say that for themselves at all lol.
 
I like Timo, but i don't think he deserves #3 in the world. At best, bottom 5 of top 10.
 
But Like I said, top 10 on the ITTF are not the 10 best players in the world. The 10 best players in the world are ALL chinese. The real question you have to ask when searching for the best 10 are "who are the 10 best chinese players right now?"
 
Who do you guys honestly think the best chinese player is at the moment (we already know the 'all-time' answer), WR aside?
 
A lot of the chinese province players will say its Zhang Jike. Most non chinese people will tell you its Ma Long. The WR system says its Wang Hao.
 
What's everyone's opinion?
 
do i smell a poll coming on?  
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Originally posted by beeray1 beeray1 wrote:

(we already know the 'all-time' answer)
  
 Do you mean  Guo Yehua? Smile
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Originally posted by dabookerman dabookerman wrote:

So, does this mean that there should be a sliding scale for the World Rankings?  Is Timo the #3 in the world because he accumulates his points by beating up on the other Euros?  Is he simply the "best of the rest"?  
 
That was in 2004.  And Timo Boll is #3 now.  I think he goes up to #3 because of some winning he had in 2008 and early 2009 against some top Chinese players, and of course, he did well against all other non-Chinese players. 
 
He might go down after losing to Maze but just one lost might not cost him too many points.
 
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Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

Originally posted by ffx-me ffx-me wrote:

They are prety equa, and I would say right now Timo is better since he won


is this a joke? timo boll is a garbage player compared to any chinese player.


While I just argued that Boll isn't equal with the top Chinese, he would definitely be on the Chinese national team and would be a serious competitor in the Super League. He is also more consistant against non-Chinese players than the lesser Chinese players, aka out of the top 5 or 6. He has beaten all the top Chinese at one point or another, and someone who isn't in the same league or on the same level can't do that.

But to say that Boll is garbage compared to "any chinese player" isn't just ignorant, it's racist elitism.
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Originally posted by FireHorse FireHorse wrote:

Originally posted by dabookerman dabookerman wrote:

So, does this mean that there should be a sliding scale for the World Rankings?  Is Timo the #3 in the world because he accumulates his points by beating up on the other Euros?  Is he simply the "best of the rest"?  
 
That was in 2004.  And Timo Boll is #3 now.  I think he goes up to #3 because of some winning he had in 2008 and early 2009 against some top Chinese players, and of course, he did well against all other non-Chinese players. 
 
He might go down after losing to Maze but just one lost might not cost him too many points.
 
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Not trying to be smart aleky but Timo is actually Rank #5 as at 1/10/09. Ma Lin and, more surprisingly, Wang Liqin took the 3/4 spots respectively.

Timo is doing very well, thogh.
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You can tell how old this vid is becuase Timo looks so young compared to now!
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Ma Lin is old now. his era along with the Wangs are over. you cant blame ma for losing to a fresh player
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What is the meaning of giving a point to the opponent at 10-0? I would be bothered if that happened to me and i wouldn't give a free point at 10-0 even if someone asked me to do it.

Any thoughts on why to give a free point?

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Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

Originally posted by ffx-me ffx-me wrote:

They are prety equa, and I would say right now Timo is better since he won


is this a joke? timo boll is a garbage player compared to any chinese player.
 
pretty silly overstatement... the kind I would expect from kids talking trash online over Halo rankings
 
 
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Originally posted by johnny89atc johnny89atc wrote:

Originally posted by takaaki takaaki wrote:

Originally posted by ttCrawsaive ttCrawsaive wrote:

But its not really fair play by ma lin playing 11-0.
He could give at least 1 point in my eyes


actually, i think he was trying to miss that last serve (to give boll 1 point), but it clipped the edge.  and i don't think he was sure, but boll, being the sportsman that he was (is), conceded the point.


What takaaki said is true, I have read an interview of Timo Boll talking about this match and told that Ma didn't want to beat him 11-0, he tried to lose the last serve, but even that hit the edge...


This is sad...
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Originally posted by Stoi Stoi wrote:

Any thoughts on why to give a free point?

Some people get very hurt (may be even humiliated) when they lose 11-0, so this is really common to show a respect to opponent by giving up a single point. I well remember Samsonov serving into the net on 10-0 when he was playing Kim Taek Soo back in 2002, it was a single set Vladi won then, by the way.
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Originally posted by stefashka stefashka wrote:

Originally posted by Stoi Stoi wrote:

Any thoughts on why to give a free point?

Some people get very hurt (may be even humiliated) when they lose 11-0, so this is really common to show a respect to opponent by giving up a single point. I well remember Samsonov serving into the net on 10-0 when he was playing Kim Taek Soo back in 2002, it was a single set Vladi won then, by the way.

I think its dumb, you should just get the 11-0. Recieving a pity point is embarassing. 
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Originally posted by Stoi Stoi wrote:

Any thoughts on why to give a free point?

Some people get very hurt (may be even humiliated) when they lose 11-0, so this is really common to show a respect to opponent by giving up a single point. I well remember Samsonov serving into the net on 10-0 when he was playing Kim Taek Soo back in 2002, it was a single set Vladi won then, by the way.

Recently Xu Xin did it against Bastian Steger at World Team Cup. Steger was extremely frustrated and he gave Xu's gift back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prynS-VN0mk&feature=player_detailpage#t=688s
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Originally posted by zzz zzz wrote:

Originally posted by stefashka stefashka wrote:


Originally posted by Stoi Stoi wrote:

Any thoughts on why to give a free point?

Some people get very hurt (may be even humiliated) when they lose 11-0, so this is really common to show a respect to opponent by giving up a single point. I well remember Samsonov serving into the net on 10-0 when he was playing Kim Taek Soo back in 2002, it was a single set Vladi won then, by the way.

Recently Xu Xin did it against Bastian Steger at World Team Cup. Steger was extremely frustrated and he gave Xu's gift back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prynS-VN0mk&feature=player_detailpage#t=688s

I have seen one of my teammates lose a game after leading 10-2(call timeout after 10-8 already). Unless you know you are a lot better than your opp, it is still a risky move.
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