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thefred
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Posted: 02/27/2009 at 7:32am |
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Dear all, I am looking for a backhand rubber. My main problem is to return serve when it is long and rapid in my backhand. So I try to find a forgiving rubber, not too sensitive to incoming spin but still able to make opening loop and shop, not too bouncy for short game, but enough for blocking and driving comfortably. So a kind of all-round rubber, not a speed demon, good at everything, but excellent at nothing The most important is the easiness to return serves. I already tried lkt xp, kokutaku 007 taiwan, kokutaku 868 tokyo, kokutaku 868 blutenkirsche non tacky, Dawei Inspirit, Dawei Sprungfeder G3 A4, Palio CJ8000 light and fast, Palio CJ8000 biotech. All of them are good rubbers, with many interesting characteristics and gears, but all of them are at least slightly tacky or very grippy, and so too sensitive to incoming spin. I currently use a sword blade, RGUC-C08, with 1 central ply carbon, and two arylate, quite stiff and very fast. My forehand rubber is the palio biotech, perfect blade/forehand rubber combination to me, and my backhand rubber is the kokutaku 868 blutenkirsche non tacky, too quick (with my blade) for me. From all my tests, the lkt xp suit me the best, but it is very slightly tacky and so sensitive to incoming spin. Maybe it should also be a little less soft in order to avoid the ball to sink into the sponge. How about the flextra hard, six shooter, dawei super power xp 2008, yazaka zap ? any other suggestions? thanks |
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vivan4tt
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Tibhar Vari Spin.
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ffx-me
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A rubber that can loop that is not sensitive to spin is an oximoron, its contradictory
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yogi_bear
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hmm try practicing receiving serbes and spinny balls |
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thefred
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1+ indeed, impossible to loop with an anti-top
so a rubber not too sensitive to spin but still able to make a loop ( not very spinny of course)
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radical
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Get a pips out or anti-spin rubber that you like, and then learn to twiddle so you can loop backhand or forehand.
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stereotip
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close to your wish is maybe joola octopus.i'm playing with that rubber,and have no problem with returning spiny serves but olso i can produce a disent spin.
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nathanso
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Try Juic Dany III.
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BBC, SP, LP
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chu_bun
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I heard hard rubbers are less responsive to incoming spin than soft ones. But probably not by much.
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esnift
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I hink this is actually your best bet. i have a friend probably around your level that just started using pips out on his backhand through a recommendation from varghese (a dealer in our area). he was reluctant at first but really likes it now and incoming serves no longer bother him. he is also learing to twiddle the bad so he can still have an aggressive topspin shot on his backhand. If you don't think that is a good option maybe try Yasaka Mark V in 1.8 or so. however, the main thing to remeber is that there is no magic rubber that is going to fix this weakness for you, some might make it slightly easier but you'll still need to learn the basics or reading/returning serve. |
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beeray1
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I would play pips like 802 reg. 2.0mm. Its got the pips properties of hitting through spin.. but you can still topspin very well with it becaue of the sponge. I have the 35 dg sponge from zero pong on my cpen. Its nice. You can hit through any spin. And you can kind of loop.
otherwise. The thing closest to what you want inverted, is probably sriver. Maybe Gambler Six shooter if you dont mind harder sponge. Its barely grippy, and if your BH is better than mine you can BH loop with it
i had a bit of trouble NOT flat hitting with it.
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This is not something you fix with equipment. This is something you fix with serve-receive drills. Even as a lower rated US player playing people 200-400 points above me, my opponents quickly learn NOT to give me fast deep serves to my backhand. Why? Because more than 75% of the time I will simply counter hit past them, slightly out of reach of their FH. Point: If you develop a strong and consistent enough response to specific serves, people simply won't risk losing points with that serve. |
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As many people above have said, practicing is the best idea. However, using tacky rubber while practicing will only make it more difficult and more frustrating. Try a sheet of Sriver 1.9 or as someone else mentioned, Mark V. Both of these rubbers are very good for learning technique without sacrificing capability.
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JimT
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That is true. But I am surprised that you are saying that tacky rubbers are too sensitive to the incoming spin. It is actually the other way around - if the rubber is indeed tacky then it stops the incoming spin. So my advice to you is to try a really tacky rubber like 729 SP Transcend or God Favored SST - get them at www.zeropong.com among other places. Or Hurricane 3 #19 for that matter Just remember that after you put it on the blade, you will need a couple of training sessions until it settles down and plays to the best of its potential. |
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varghesep
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he said not too sensitive...
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We have to play .
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A non-tacky rubber that has not too soft or thin a topsheet is likely to be less sensitive to spin. For chinese rubbers (which you seem to be choosing from), something like Yin-he Mars is quite insensitve to spin, but can still spin the ball... That one stood out for me as I tried it recently... I'm sure there are many others and can find some more options if you want me to...
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tommyzai
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It's always a trade-off.
You just can't have both. Well, you can, but certainly not as much of both as you'd like. I sacrificed my spin . . . my serves to better guard against incoming. :-(. |
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Leshxa
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Great Point!!! I would also suggest practicing service return. Sounds like you don't have the proper timing when coming in contact with the ball. Remember, that you blade cannot be static when you receive the spin. This means that if you are simply keeping the blade back as a block and trying to receive serve, you won't be able to correctly predict the angle to use to counteract the spin due to many variables - such as a speed of the ball. If you practice returns and actually learn to apply spin - you will be able to put your own spin on the ball and cancel the current ball spin. This will guarantee your success. So my point is that you must make sure to start your stroke before the ball reaches your paddle. Otherwise, you won't have energy in the stroke to apply your own spin! I hope I've explained it well enough. |
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non grippy topsheet, non bouncy (not a high tension rubber), not too soft not too hard, not the latest brandI seriously think you shouldn't buy a new sheet as they all have more "life in them" Just ask people at your club or put up poster to give you there throw away rubbers. That way you can try a variety.
old generation rubbers made for speed glue might be good.
cant go wrong with an old mark 5 as someone said earlier.
But ultimately you've got to practise since for example I can backspin the ball so hard that many long pip players still hit straight on their side. Frictionless has gone.
And having said all this, if I know youve got a less spinny rubber on your backhand I ll do all my super spinny serves to your forehand.
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pongmaster
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As previously said the best way is to practice
but the other alternative.... :D Long Pips! You can not only return serves, you can wreak havoc with them. You can loop topspin with long pips with some practice. You can chop-block their attacks. You can drive pushes a pop-ups. The main disadvantage is you can only use certain shots against certain balls your opponent hits. So if your feelin' lazy, slap on some long pips. |
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I personally love old traditional bryce. not spinny but can if need be, not fast if you dont glue but can be when you want it to be
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yasaka visco is maybe what you looking for!
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