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Ricardote 
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 Topic: Spinmax homemade replacementPosted: 01/17/2007 at 1:25pm |
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Anybody knows how to make a homemade spinmax? It would be interesting, as the original is expensive.
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Posted: 01/17/2007 at 1:26pm |
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It's called Orange Soda. Any brand will work.
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Posted: 01/17/2007 at 1:34pm |
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its called heptane. any brand will work
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Posted: 01/17/2007 at 1:45pm |
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Thanks fatcomet. I saw in other posts that it is probably mostly heptane. But it probably has other solvents. I saw a lot of information in the homemade glue topic forums. |
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Posted: 01/17/2007 at 2:41pm |
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Somebody on about claimed to have done a chem analysis on it. They said it was just heptane with a very minute amount of rubber cement dissolved in it.
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Posted: 01/17/2007 at 4:10pm |
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There is definitely a residual coating, likely rubber cement. This coating begins to get worn away as you play and the worn spots become less tacky. This degradation doesn't occur quickly but you will notice it. Spinmax red makes old slick rubber spinny again and makes sticky rubber sticker. If you've got new sticky rubber, I'd stay away from the SpinMax until your topsheet begins to wear and loose some grip.
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Posted: 01/18/2007 at 9:27am |
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Thanks Cole and JRSDallas. Let me say that I�ve seen discussions where there was opinions about the pressure of the gas of different solvents evaporating in the sponge/rubber. If there are solvents that do that, maybe those could improve heptane results. Any opinions on this? Thanks,
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Posted: 01/18/2007 at 10:02am |
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Results as speed glue or as cleaner? I'm afraid I'm lost on that one. I think you just want cleaner to evaporate asap.
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Ricardote
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Posted: 01/18/2007 at 12:32pm |
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I tend to assume (I may be wrong) that heptane works BOTH as a surface cleaner, AND that it also works evaporating inside the rubber and so creating pressure, pretty much as solvents in glues work. Yhat is why I was wondering if there were other solvents in Spinmax-type of products. By the way, I tried yesterday a rubber-cement diluent on an old rubber (rubber side) and it didn�t clean it, but the rubber got a dome!!!. I dunno what was in the diluent, but it was not heptane, toluene or trichloroeti....(whatever). What do u think happened? Maybe I can experiment further....
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Posted: 01/18/2007 at 11:59pm |
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I spoke to the guy who manufactures Spinmax, and they tell me there is definitely more than just heptane in there. They also told me that many have tried to copy it or make it themselves, but none have succeeded...
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Posted: 01/19/2007 at 1:10am |
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A cheap substitute for Spinmax is WD-40. It works just as well but requires a clean up.
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Posted: 01/19/2007 at 11:25am |
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Personally I don�t like the idea of WD40. I will try different solvents mixed with heptane. It may take time but I�ll try. I like the results but makes me mad to pay $20 for something that costs probably $2 to mnufacture. Anybody else willing to experiment? |
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Posted: 01/19/2007 at 11:45pm |
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Good idea Ricardote though Joola wont think so. well we know it has in Heptane so the job is to find out what else then in what ratio.
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Posted: 01/20/2007 at 7:59am |
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it's not just heptane and rubber cement; have tried different proportions and no combination produces the sticky/tacky surface that spinmax does.
there must be another solvent and/or adhesive. |
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Posted: 02/23/2007 at 6:49pm |
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any other suggestion for heptane, or where can we buy em?
have anybody uses Armorall?
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Posted: 02/23/2007 at 7:07pm |
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heptane will work... not so sure about the soda haha
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Posted: 02/23/2007 at 7:24pm |
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.... please Can some body show a picture (photo) of "Heptane can" to see how it look like because i ask in some stores and no body know with that name.
thanks.
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Posted: 02/23/2007 at 7:38pm |
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I can take some from my lab... if you lived in the usa id mail you 15mls or so for free, but shipping to panama would cost too much:/
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Posted: 02/23/2007 at 7:42pm |
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can u send me some
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testsoft
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Posted: 02/23/2007 at 8:59pm |
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Thanks Ksix .... I appreciatte your effort. But remember the polices to send volatil products by air mail can not be done is a regulations... Let me tell you some .... I can�t order speed glue or regular TT glue from regular stores in USA. We use here a solvent called Tolvene with rubber cement but this product will not come any more and we are looking for substitute.
here is a picture of tolvene can....
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Posted: 02/23/2007 at 9:01pm |
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Posted: 02/23/2007 at 9:08pm |
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Thanks genomicsK...
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Posted: 02/27/2007 at 3:09pm |
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I know of a local lab that could test both Spinmax and Ecolo II. The stuff that you really want is no longer is Asti Turbo Booster. This chemical expanded the TOP SHEET and when used the speed glue...I'll just say that I was hard to beat. I've taken it to a lab but they couldn't tell how much of each ingredient would be needed and/or if they were available in California.
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Posted: 03/08/2007 at 7:15pm |
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would applying spinmax after every time you use your rubbers damage it? |
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Posted: 03/08/2007 at 7:38pm |
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That depends on many factors.
- what type of rubber is it? - how thick is the topsheet on your rubber? - how often do you play? - how clean is the table and floor you play on? - probably some more questions along the same line... Overdoing it can make the topsheet becoming very soft. If it's on a sponge that is already on the softer side, then the whole thing can give you a very mushy feel when you hit with it. |
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Posted: 03/08/2007 at 8:59pm |
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on a hard tacky chinese rubber? what effect would spinmax have on them?
isit recommended to treat the rubber after every play.. i play 2 times per week. 3hrs each session.
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Posted: 03/08/2007 at 9:52pm |
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Ricardote, there is stuff you can use besides spinmax that really works well for cleaning and preparing your rubbers for storage. Did you know that Rubber Rejuvenator is just a rubber cleaner that restores rubber to original elasticity. You can go online and find an 11 oz. bottle for $6 usd. Just cover the surface of your rubber with it. Let it sit for about 10 seconds, then wipe off the remainder with some sort of lintless fabric. Rubber rejuvenator is used for cleaning and restoring printer platens, so you can find this sort of item at office supply sites. Spinmax doesnt come close to this value.
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Posted: 03/08/2007 at 10:16pm |
I'd suggest you apply spinmax only if you can't recover the tackiness after cleaning it with water or other types of rubber cleaner. |
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Posted: 03/09/2007 at 4:08am |
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Too much SM will prevent the ball from leaving the racket quickly if you're a hitter.
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Posted: 03/09/2007 at 4:09am |
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I still have the free EE1 if anyone wants it.
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