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    Posted: 09/02/2020 at 6:46pm
I wasn't the orignal poster of this question.  I was the first to respond though, and then eventually the OP was deleted.  So I'll try to rephrase the OP as well as I can remember.

The OP was in a tournament where his opponent asked permission to video the match (we've all been there right?)  But to the OP's dismay, his opponent was streaming the match to a coach somewhere and receiving coaching during the match, presumably by bluetooth headset.

The OP took offense and asked the opponent to quit streaming, but his opponent said it was too late, he had already given permission and really didn't need it anyway.  He said the tournament director didn't know how to handle the situation and declined to intervene.


And this was my response:

It's polite to ask people for their permission to videos and but I don't think it's required legally. After all when you're in a public place you're subject to video the same as photograph. And I don't know whether coaching is legal or not but if it's legal then video coaching is legal. 

Well I mean obviously coaching is legal but if by earpiece you don't know if he's getting advice during the point.

That's a really good question the more I think of it


Edited by cole_ely - 09/03/2020 at 4:16pm
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perhaps it might be appropriate to ask your opponent to only use the headset between games

Or actually to rephrase that it's probably something better addressed by the tournament director


Edited by cole_ely - 09/02/2020 at 6:47pm
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This is so sneaky but you ask a very interesting question. 

I would argue since there is no way to prove that the coach does not talk DURING points, which is forbidden, you could have said that it's ok as long as he leaves his ear piece on the side when it's not allowed to receive coaching. At least that would have forced him to get his earpiece on and off between points and go back and forth to the side and that would be a lot of less fun and would disrupt the match enough to make the tournament director decide against it.

You could have said also that you never gave your permission to have YOUR match streamed, that was not said, you only gave your permission to tape the match and not broadcast it. There the tournament director should have also sided with you.

I think that tournament director was weak and just went took the easiest path when he saw you are civilized and your opponent wanted to fight it.



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Only one coach is allowed and the coach must be identified before the match.  It is now legal for the coach to yell out advice to the player when the ball is not in play as long as the coach and player are not slowing down the progress of the game.  (I have also heard such advice/instructions must be in a language that both players can understand; although I have not able to verify this).

Since the coach is not at the game, I would say such "coaching" is not legal.  

The rules should be amended to ban players from wearing earpieces and headphones.
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interesting.... i think the OP just deleted his posts
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stiltt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/02/2020 at 8:11pm
Maybe a mod identified the OP as a person not welcome here after multiple bans. I thought the question was interesting though but if it is who I think it is, they never lack intelligence for sure.
When any given poster's posts get all deleted at once with the push of a "ban" button, the answers stay behind which is less that ideal, I'll ask the mods about the opportunity of a process to identify 1st all threads the banned person started (there is a search check box for that). In those situations there are not many enough to be much work. More to come.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cole_ely Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/02/2020 at 8:13pm
somebody at a pc should repeat the question
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Thd question is clear enough.  Let the thread continue.
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

somebody at a pc should repeat the question
since you are the OP now, can you edit and explain what happened and tell the original story? thank you for your service.
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im on a phone at church :(
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well...when they say "think less of yourself and more about other people", think of us here at mytt and just do it Big smile. I am happy I could once support and encourage your spirituality.
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I would say no:
3.5.1 Advice
3.5.1.1 In a team event, players may receive advice from anyone authorised to be at the playing area.
3.5.1.2 In an individual event, a player or pair may receive advice only from one person, designated beforehand to the umpire, except that where the players of a doubles pair are from different Associations each may designate an adviser,but with regard to 3.5.1 and 3.5.2 these two advisors shall be treated as a unit; if an unauthorised person gives advice the umpire shall hold up a red card and send him or her away from the playing area.

Issues: Can't verify who is on the headset. Can't verify it's only one person (presuming a singles match and not teams).
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