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    Posted: 11/14/2021 at 6:50pm
Found a very interesting match between Chen Meng the current reigning Olympic women single champion, and Ma Te (arguably the best chopper in the world at the moment). Chen Meng actually got a set which I found really impressive. Maybe the gender differences in TT performance aren't that big!




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Lots of no namers get a game or more off of ma long... you don't even remember their names! 

Even 1 actual match victory isn't a big deal, statistically. If it happened at a major tournament, sure, people would remember the games then. 

I don't think there's much in the way of attacks the women can offer ma te... not compared to what he usually faces. They might try being crafty, more patient and force him to be the aggressor. 
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CM is vulnerable to choppers in general, just like DN. Ma Te went easy on her.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

CM is vulnerable to choppers in general, just like DN. Ma Te went easy on her.

I am not able to remind a defeat from Chen Meng against choppers.
Can you let me know  from which choppers she lost and when ?

edit: I just see she lost once from Wu Yang in 2016.

Then Ma te is probably the second or third  best chopper in the world so...it is quite normal she lost (but not easily to me), also because of the attacking abilities of Ma Te


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Doesn't matter if Ma Te is world class or not. It's a well-known fact in China that CM has a hard time playing choppers due to her shaky FH. Look up her matches against Han Ying and Suh Hyowon in 2017 and 2020. The only reason she won came down to her physical strength. Compare that with Liu Shiwen and Ito.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Doesn't matter if Ma Te is world class or not. It's a well-known fact in China that CM has a hard time playing choppers due to her shaky FH. Look up her matches against Han Ying and Suh Hyowon in 2017 and 2020. The only reason she won came down to her physical strength. Compare that with Liu Shiwen and Ito.

Ok, I agree, it is sometimes difficult for her because she is not a hitter.
At some occasions, she also won easily 
At the end she wins 99% of the times Vs choppers.
Physical strength and tactical intelligence are part of the game to me. No matter if you win 4-3 or 4-0, the result is the same. 
It is like winning on the finish line or with 10 m ahead.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/16/2021 at 3:32am
That's not how it works at the CNT. When the probability of losing fluctuates a lot, that raises the alarm.

There was a Tieba thread a month ago that asked "who on the CNT has a hard time against choppers". One reply said the better question should instead be "who on the CNT has an easy time against choppers". The consensus was that other than LSW and SYS who give people a sense of security, all the others have various problems - some are fine this time but not the next, some are fine playing this chopper but not the other, and some are fine when on form but poor when out of form.

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7570423171?pid=141633445240&cid=0#141633445240

Edited by zeio - 11/16/2021 at 3:44am
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kakapo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/16/2021 at 8:39am
Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

That's not how it works at the CNT. When the probability of losing fluctuates a lot, that raises the alarm.

There was a Tieba thread a month ago that asked "who on the CNT has a hard time against choppers". One reply said the better question should instead be "who on the CNT has an easy time against choppers". The consensus was that other than LSW and SYS who give people a sense of security, all the others have various problems - some are fine this time but not the next, some are fine playing this chopper but not the other, and some are fine when on form but poor when out of form.

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7570423171?pid=141633445240&cid=0#141633445240

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