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Guessing for the winner, so far.
 
jrscatman:       Jens Lundqvist
emihet:            Masato Shiono
skip3119:         Masato Shiono
luckyloop:         Primorac
Pondus:            Robert Svensson
Observer:         Tao Wenzhang
 
The above 6 guys are ready to have eggs on their faces.
(Had we conducted a guessing game on Japan Open, everyone would have been wrong.)
 
Any other guess?




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Eugene Wang - I love Shiono but I gotta go with the regular and the guy who does not have to change time zones.
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Guessing for the winner, so far.
 
jrscatman:       Jens Lundqvist
emihet:            Masato Shiono
skip3119:         Masato Shiono
bogeyhunter:   Masato Shiono
luckyloop:         Primorac
Pondus:            Robert Svensson
Observer:         Tao Wenzhang
NextLevel:        Eugene Wang
 
The above 8 guys are ready to have eggs on their faces.
(Japan Open) Entries from world top 50: (A total of 15 players were in the top 50).
World Rankings:  6, 9, 10, 12, 16, 21, 22, 26, 27, 28, 31, 32, 36, 41, 41.
Final winner: World Rangkng of 188.
At least 15 players are much hotter than the eventual winner.
None of the HOT players won. It was won by a player, no one could have guessed.
 
(Had we conducted a guessing game on Japan Open, everyone would have been wrong.)
 
Any other guess?




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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Guessing for the winner, so far.
 
jrscatman:  Jens Lundqvist
emihet:      Masato Shiono
skip3119:   Masato Shiono
luckyloop:   Primorac
Pondus:     Robert Svensson
 
Will the eventual winner be a player not mentioned above?  Who knows?
(Had we conducted a guessing game on Japan Open, everyone would have been wrong.)
 
Any other guess?
 
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Guessing for the winner, so far.
 
jrscatman:       Jens Lundqvist
emihet:            Masato Shiono
skip3119:         Masato Shiono
bogeyhunter:   Masato Shiono
luckyloop:         Primorac
Pondus:            Robert Svensson
Observer:         Tao Wenzhang
NextLevel:        Eugene Wang
 
The above 8 guys are ready to have eggs on their faces.
(Japan Open) Entries from world top 50: (A total of 15 players were in the top 50).
World Rankings:  6, 9, 10, 12, 16, 21, 22, 26, 27, 28, 31, 32, 36, 41, 41.
Final winner: World Rangkng of 188.
At least 15 players are much hotter than the eventual winner.
None of the HOT players won. It was won by a player, no one could have guessed.
 
(Had we conducted a guessing game on Japan Open, everyone would have been wrong.)
 
Any other guess?






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Guessing for the winner, so far.
 
jrscatman:       Jens Lundqvist
emihet:            Masato Shiono
skip3119:         Masato Shiono
bogeyhunter:   Masato Shiono
roundrobin:      Masato Shiono
luckyloop:         Primorac
Pondus:            Robert Svensson
Observer:         Tao Wenzhang
NextLevel:        Eugene Wang
beeray1  :         Eugene Wang
 
The above 10 guys are ready to have eggs on their faces.
(Japan Open) Entries from world top 50: (A total of 15 players were in the top 50).
World Rankings:  6, 9, 10, 12, 16, 21, 22, 26, 27, 28, 31, 32, 36, 41, 41.
Final winner: World Rangkng of 188.
At least 15 players are much hotter than the eventual winner.
 
None of the HOT players won. Japan Open was won by a player, no one could have guessed.
 
(Had we conducted a guessing game on Japan Open, everyone would have been wrong.)
If a very good defensive player with LP on his BH, that could give Shiono a run for the money.
 
Any other guesses?
 
*** Masato Shiono (or Shiono Masato as listed in US Open) has played US Open twice, in 2010 and 2011.  He did not win and was beaten by the same player - Thomas Keinath.  In 2010 it took Thomas Keinath 7 games to beat Shiono, but in 2011 Thomas Keinath beat Shiono easily in 4 games.  Thomas Keinath is not in this year's US Open.


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I don't know if Eugene Wang can get into the final, but if he can and he faces Masato Shiono, then I think Eugene Wang has a very good chance, style match-up I think he is better (at least I hope so.  Go Eugene!)
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As late as 1-19-2013 (video uploaded on 3-22-2013), this is a match between Masato Shiono against Hirano Yuki (ITTF WR 285).
Masato Shiono in red shirt.
 
 
Looks like the match result was:   3 : 4 
 
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As late as 3-17-2013 (video uploaded on 3-26-2013), only abou 3 months before Japan Open, this is a match between Masato Shiono against Jin Ueda (ITTF WR 127).
Masato Shiono in White shirt. (Why they allowed White shirt?)
 
 
Looks like the match result was:   0 : 4
 
*** Masato Shiono's both opponents are attackers.  Just 3 months before Japan Open, he didn't look that great and didn't look like that he was going to beat Chuang Chih-Yuan, Kenta, Niwa Koki and Chen Chien-An.
 


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On another thread, "Japan Open 2013 Discussion", roundrobin had the following comment:
 
"Unlike Joo, Shiono twiddles a lot to receive serves and to push.  That caused a lot of problems for his attacking opponents.  He plays more like Matsushita than Joo."
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May be that's the "Real Key".  The 2 videos shown above, against Hirano Yuki & Jin Ueda (he lost to both of them), Shiono did not twiddle his paddle much in those 2 matches.
 
Shiono might have praticed a lot of "Paddle Twiddling" before Japan Open.  In Japan Open, as noticed by roundrobin, he twiddled his paddle a lot.  May be that's the "Real Key" that enabled him to be able to upset some of the world's top players.
 


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The following is the final entry list:
 
 
Eugene Wang just won the recently concluded Butterfly International Open (in Canada), can he carry the momentum to win the US Open Challenge Series too? (Piligrim has the video of that final, see the other thread.)
 
Guessing for the winner:  Masato Shiono got 4 votes, Eugene Wang got 2 votes, and the remaining 4 players each got 1 vote (Jens Lundqvist, Primorac Zoran, Robert Svensson, and Tao Wenzhang).
 
Note:  Masato Shiono is seed #8 and Eugene Wang is seed #3. (According to the entry list).
 
Guessing for the winner, so far.
 
jrscatman:       Jens Lundqvist
emihet:            Masato Shiono
skip3119:         Masato Shiono
bogeyhunter:   Masato Shiono
roundrobin:      Masato Shiono
luckyloop:         Primorac Zoran
Pondus:            Robert Svensson
Observer:         Tao Wenzhang
NextLevel:        Eugene Wang
beeray1  :         Eugene Wang
 
 
Any other guesses?


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Wang Zhen with the repeat. Just beat Kreanga, Crisan backed out, and its familiar turf.
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ITTF's story about the top seed:  Jens Lundqvist    
 
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ZHENG Jiaqi is not seeded, but she has a very good chance to win this event.
 
According to Amateur's post on another thread, Jiaqi will be eligible to represent US on 12-5-2015.


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The drawing are done for the seeds.
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Based on ITTF seeding list, these 2 players are the players to beat:
LUNDQVIST Jens:   Seed #1     Position  1 
PRIMORAC Zoran:  Seed #2     Position  64
 
Based on survey here, these 2 players are the players to beat.
SHIONO Masato:   4 votes   (seed #8)   Position  49  (bottom half, actually 4th quarter).
WANG Eugene:      2 votes   (seed #3)   Position  32  (top half, actually 2nd quarter).
 
*** Masato and Eugene will not play against each other unless each one wins his half.
*** If that happens, they will play in the final.
 
Note:  There is a player, Tao Wenzhang, received 1 vote by the survey here.
           Tao Wenzhang is not a seed, he has to play in the qualification group.
           Can a player from the qualification group end up to win the event?
           Yes, it can --- Just look what just happened in Japan Open.
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On men's side:  There are 16 seeds.  There are 24 qualification groups with 3 or 4 players per group.  The top 2 players from each group will advance to the Main Draw (a total of 64 slots).
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On women's side:  There are 8 seeds.  There are 12 qualification groups with 3 or 4 players per group.  The top 2 players from each group will advance to the Main Draw (a total of 32 slots).


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Didn't know Liang Yonghui was playing. I think it will be between him, Wang Zhen and Tao Wenzhang
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Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

Didn't know Liang Yonghui was playing. I think it will be between him, Wang Zhen and Tao Wenzhang
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Liang Yonghui is not a seed either (see link below.) He will have to fight in the qualification group.
 
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On women's side (no survey here), my guess is that Zheng Jiaqi will win this event.
Btw, Zheng Jiaqi is not a seed either, she will have to fight in the qualification group too.
 
*** Only 2 players from each Qualification Group can advance to the Main Draw. ***


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Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

Didn't know Liang Yonghui was playing. I think it will be between him, Wang Zhen and Tao Wenzhang
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Liang Yonghui is not a seed either (see link below.) He will have to fight in the qualification group.
 
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On women's side (no survey here), my guess is that Zheng Jiaqi will win this event.
Btw, Zheng Jiaqi is not a seed either, she will have to fight in the qualification group too.
 
*** Only 2 players from each Qualification Group can advance to the Main Draw. ***
I don't think she will. Top 4 seeds are either stronger than her, or very close. Number 1 seed from ROM will loopkill everything and dominate against Zheng.
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Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

Didn't know Liang Yonghui was playing. I think it will be between him, Wang Zhen and Tao Wenzhang

Shiono, Lundquist, Svensson, Primorac aren't in the picture? 
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Originally posted by cmetsbeltran15 cmetsbeltran15 wrote:

Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

Didn't know Liang Yonghui was playing. I think it will be between him, Wang Zhen and Tao Wenzhang

Shiono, Lundquist, Svensson, Primorac aren't in the picture? 
Shiono is, but one I don't like choppers, second I don't think he will play as well as Japan open, and it just takes one guy who knows how to play choppers to take him down. But he is in it...

I don't know Svensson well enough, Primorac and Lundquist are just too old, other guys are more hungry with equal or better skills. 
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Primorac is a guy who know how to play choppers. 
Anyone know when the live streaming will start? Livestreaming schedule page is not setup on the USATT site.
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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Primorac is a guy who know how to play choppers. 
Anyone know when the live streaming will start? Livestreaming schedule page is not setup on the USATT site.
Link is on ITTF, two feeds will start 11:30
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Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

Didn't know Liang Yonghui was playing. I think it will be between him, Wang Zhen and Tao Wenzhang
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Here is a video of Liang Yonghui playing against Li Kewei.
 
Liang Yonghui (the shorter player, a lefty).
Li Kewei (the taller player, with LP on his back-hand).
 


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Originally posted by cmetsbeltran15 cmetsbeltran15 wrote:

Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

Didn't know Liang Yonghui was playing. I think it will be between him, Wang Zhen and Tao Wenzhang

Shiono, Lundquist, Svensson, Primorac aren't in the picture? 
Shiono is, but one I don't like choppers, second I don't think he will play as well as Japan open, and it just takes one guy who knows how to play choppers to take him down. But he is in it...

I don't know Svensson well enough, Primorac and Lundquist are just too old, other guys are more hungry with equal or better skills. 

I don't think he will either, but regardless he is a threat to Wang Zhen. They are old but still good. I personally think Eugene will win it all, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Tao did. 
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Originally posted by cmetsbeltran15 cmetsbeltran15 wrote:

Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

Originally posted by cmetsbeltran15 cmetsbeltran15 wrote:

Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

Didn't know Liang Yonghui was playing. I think it will be between him, Wang Zhen and Tao Wenzhang

Shiono, Lundquist, Svensson, Primorac aren't in the picture? 
Shiono is, but one I don't like choppers, second I don't think he will play as well as Japan open, and it just takes one guy who knows how to play choppers to take him down. But he is in it...

I don't know Svensson well enough, Primorac and Lundquist are just too old, other guys are more hungry with equal or better skills. 

I don't think he will either, but regardless he is a threat to Wang Zhen. They are old but still good. I personally think Eugene will win it all, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Tao did. 
All factors considered, Eugene Wang should be the favorite, but I would like to give some boost for the fresh faces. It is hard to predict TT results anyway...fun to do though 
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Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Primorac is a guy who know how to play choppers. 
Anyone know when the live streaming will start? Livestreaming schedule page is not setup on the USATT site.
Link is on ITTF, two feeds will start 11:30
thanks for the link! I think we should put that in the OP to get to it quick: after there are 30 more posts, it will be burried and harder to find.
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Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

I don't think she will. Top 4 seeds are either stronger than her, or very close. Number 1 seed from ROM will loopkill everything and dominate against Zheng.

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