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    Posted: 02/22/2011 at 3:31pm
A good friend mentioned this to me yesterday & despite some semi-cursory searches (I forgot the site he referenced) I am coming up with nothing. I am still curious all the same; maybe even moreso.
 
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It's a c-pen that will give you super table tennis power.... :))
You must not been checking mytt. The guy who invented it made a thread on it. Anton even bought one, i believe...
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And the thread on it at the moment is on page 3 on the forum's equipment section. Can't get the link because I am on my mobile phone.. :)
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Thanks guys! I think it's interesting. If you are going to employ new techniques they ~may~ be suited or better employed from a different structure. It goes without saying; though I will say it anyway, should it interfere, subsantially or not,  with the "classic" penhold devastating FH & serving possibilities, I would hesitate, if not abstain outright.  

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There is only one way to beat a SuperCPen player: get a blade made of Kryptonite. LOL

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Don't worry guys, the ITTF will ban it soon enough :)
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In short: The SuperCpen is a grip modification for the Chinese penhold grip that makes every stroke in the Cpen repertoire much easier and much stabler. If given a chance, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it were shown to be the future of the Cpen grip. Big smile

If you want me to expound upon that then you'll have to wait for my formal review of the grip, which I should have completed in the next couple of weeks... perhaps with a video accompaniment, assuming I don't feel that I look too foolish. Wink




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I hope Wang Hao can try it out.
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Originally posted by sweetstrike sweetstrike wrote:

I hope Wang Hao can try it out.


I would really like to see that... or Xu Xin! (My personal favorite. Smile) However, I doubt we'll see that in our lifetime. Tradition plays a strong role in most cultures--especially when "winning" of some sort is on the line (which is understandable).

For a more general example from some of the research literature: Human beings are more risk averse when loss is on the line and more risk-taking when gains are on the line. So what that means is, as long as their penhold players are winning then I doubt they'll be trying out new "technology" any time soon... even if that technology would make their lives better.

One of the biggest hopes I have for this grip is the newer generations of Cpen players. I don't want to go too much into this here (I'm saving something for my review), but I think that a lot of people (outside of China or Korea) are scared off by Cpen for two main reasons:

1) There aren't many coaches in other places to teach one the Cpen grip "properly".
2) The grip is "odd" or "awkward" for most people at first, in that it creates less intuitive angles than shakehand, and until you get it down well it feels very unstable.

I think the SuperCpen definitely addresses #2 extremely well. Once #2 is addressed, I think finding coaches for Cpen will be easier, since once it's easier to use there will be more people using it, and hence, probably more coaches. Smile


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Originally posted by Anton Chigurh Anton Chigurh wrote:

The grip is "odd" or "awkward" for most people at first, in that it creates less intuitive angles than shakehand, and until you get it down well it feels very unstable.

I'd have to say it feels odd and awkward when playing against a good cpen player when one is used to playing shakehand so often. Side spin backhand loops, flat-ish traditional block hits, and different services all make chinese penhold so unique.
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Originally posted by sweetstrike sweetstrike wrote:

Originally posted by Anton Chigurh Anton Chigurh wrote:

The grip is "odd" or "awkward" for most people at first, in that it creates less intuitive angles than shakehand, and until you get it down well it feels very unstable.

I'd have to say it feels odd and awkward when playing against a good cpen player when one is used to playing shakehand so often. Side spin backhand loops, flat-ish traditional block hits, and different services all make chinese penhold so unique.


I absolutely agree. I have the good fortune of having three good Cpen players to play with/against, and I still get weirded out by some of their shots. One guy just joined our club so I'm still getting accustomed to his style. There are at least 3 or 4 points per game that the ball does the opposite of what I expect it would do based on his stroke. This bizarreness fascinates me and is just another thing that compelled me to switch grips permanently. Wacko  Smile


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Originally posted by sweetstrike sweetstrike wrote:

Originally posted by Anton Chigurh Anton Chigurh wrote:

The grip is "odd" or "awkward" for most people at first, in that it creates less intuitive angles than shakehand, and until you get it down well it feels very unstable.

I'd have to say it feels odd and awkward when playing against a good cpen player when one is used to playing shakehand so often. Side spin backhand loops, flat-ish traditional block hits, and different services all make chinese penhold so unique.
That's the beauty. When less and less much uses cpen or even jpen, it makes the remaining unique ...:)
 
cpen & jpen strength in wrist movement. All these wrist movement confuses people ... Tongue
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