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I have a Hallmark Combination paddle with 755 III mystery on BH.

I need recommendation for best rubber for FH  Tomahawk topspin serve.

Any suggestions welcome,  please also recommend sponge thickness.
( I play close to table or 1 step/feet further )
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With any spin serves, tacky topsheets are better, right?

I wouldn't make my choice of thickness of sponge based on serving.  You don't really use that much sponge on a brush anyway.
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cole, the right answer was Dawei XP 2008.  You really need to learn from Butterfly!
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I gotta say it always amuses me when someone asks a question like "what rubber is best for the bh", or "what blade is best for smashing", or "what rubber is best for fh tomahawk serve" because there is no best rubber. There are so many types of rubbers not to mention which thickness of sponge you prefer that there is no best rubber. You find a rubber that you like to play with and you go from there to develop your serves. A lot of this also depends on your level of play, and what you do with the return. Any number of rubbers that can generate good spin/speed are just fine for this serve. I use short pips on my FH and still use this serve.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

cole, the right answer was Dawei XP 2008.  You really need to learn from Butterfly!



I doubt butterfly would recommend their cheapest rubber.
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

cole, the right answer was Dawei XP 2008.  You really need to learn from Butterfly!



I doubt butterfly would recommend their cheapest rubber.
  Yeah, you should have recommended a new blade as well (W6 FL) with Illumina (max) rubbers.  Devastating serves with that.
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Points: 54 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/06/2014 at 6:01pm
Okay , thank you for the response,  so far I only got two honorable mentions.  ( Air Illumina and Dawei 2008)  

Can someone give me more options,  I need to consider availability , item location, etc... 
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Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

I gotta say it always amuses me when someone asks a question like "what rubber is best for the bh", or "what blade is best for smashing", or "what rubber is best for fh tomahawk serve" because there is no best rubber. There are so many types of rubbers not to mention which thickness of sponge you prefer that there is no best rubber. You find a rubber that you like to play with and you go from there to develop your serves. A lot of this also depends on your level of play, and what you do with the return. Any number of rubbers that can generate good spin/speed are just fine for this serve. I use short pips on my FH and still use this serve.

I disagree with your statement,  there is a strong "co-relation"  in how good you are in serving the ball 
and how good you are in returning the ball.  Those two criteria make you a good player.  If you are like me
who won 40% of the points by initiating good serve then everything becomes important.

1. deciding on point strategy
2. win the mind battle on serve
3.  execute the above strategy

Having the right rubber is part of executing the strategy ( every bit of help makes big difference)
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I think if the OP is expecting significant changes based on what rubber he selects, he'll be greatly disappointed. Actually he'll probably take a step back at first adjusting.

Any inverted (shoot even SP) rubber can do this serve. Its technique. I'm 100% with AcudaDave on this one.

Furthermore, would you really choose a rubber for one serve?

Edited by suds79 - 11/06/2014 at 6:51pm
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Originally posted by suds79 suds79 wrote:

I think if the OP is expecting significant changes based on what rubber he selects, he'll be greatly disappointed. Actually he'll probably take a step back at first adjusting.

Any inverted (shoot even SP) rubber can do this serve. Its technique. I'm 100% with AcudaDave on this one.

Furthermore, would you really choose a rubber for one serve?

Go learn how to do Tomahawk Topspin Serve then come back to the post 
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Originally posted by chopslice chopslice wrote:

Originally posted by suds79 suds79 wrote:

I think if the OP is expecting significant changes based on what rubber he selects, he'll be greatly disappointed. Actually he'll probably take a step back at first adjusting.

Any inverted (shoot even SP) rubber can do this serve. Its technique. I'm 100% with AcudaDave on this one.

Furthermore, would you really choose a rubber for one serve?

Go learn how to do Tomahawk Topspin Serve then come back to the post 


I can do a topspin tomahawk serve with almost any kind of inverted rubber.  Searching for a rubber for one kind of serve is nuts.  Really nuts. 

If you insist on wasting your money, go with Tenergy 05. 
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Points: 5169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/06/2014 at 8:35pm
I thought the answer was "Inverted Rubber". 

Boy, I was way off. 
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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

Originally posted by chopslice chopslice wrote:

Originally posted by suds79 suds79 wrote:

I think if the OP is expecting significant changes based on what rubber he selects, he'll be greatly disappointed. Actually he'll probably take a step back at first adjusting.

Any inverted (shoot even SP) rubber can do this serve. Its technique. I'm 100% with AcudaDave on this one.

Furthermore, would you really choose a rubber for one serve?

Go learn how to do Tomahawk Topspin Serve then come back to the post 


I can do a topspin tomahawk serve with almost any kind of inverted rubber.  Searching for a rubber for one kind of serve is nuts.  Really nuts. 

If you insist on wasting your money, go with Tenergy 05. 


Thanks,  that is what I want,  I want an opinion from someone who has served tomahawk topspin.

Just to let you know,  I use to be a baseball pitcher,  I can pitch 88 miles per hour fast ball in high school until I ruined my arm with knuckle curve.   I have strong wrist and forearm.  
My favorite serves are tomahawk topspin to the forehand side and tomahawk backspin to the forehand side.
It really confuses the opponent and allows me to pressure first with my forehand.  But 70% of them return out of bound.
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You can't make this thread up...
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Chopslice,

Do you have a rating?
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Chopslice,

Do you have a rating?

What is your point ?
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Okay I made up my mind,  I am going to go with DHS Hurricane 3 NEO national rubber from ebay.
( most likely is fake , but should be good as well )
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I like people who serve topspin to my forehand...
(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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Originally posted by JacekGM JacekGM wrote:

I like people who serve topspin to my forehand...

You are NOT going to like it if I mixed them up with hard backspin  !
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Although I cannot spell diplomacy to save anyone's life, I'll ask it this way.
 
Chopslice, we forums would like to know a little about your playing level to understand where you are at. A Canadian, a USATT or ratingscentral or state/national ranking would help.
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Originally posted by chopslice chopslice wrote:

Originally posted by suds79 suds79 wrote:

I think if the OP is expecting significant changes based on what rubber he selects, he'll be greatly disappointed. Actually he'll probably take a step back at first adjusting.

Any inverted (shoot even SP) rubber can do this serve. Its technique. I'm 100% with AcudaDave on this one.

Furthermore, would you really choose a rubber for one serve?


Go learn how to do Tomahawk Topspin Serve then come back to the post 


I can do that serve. Its an easy one that can be done with any inverted rubber. That's not just my opinion, but the opinion of several board members as you have probably read. Don't get salty with me just because you asked a relatively silly question but didn't like the answers.

But who am I to judge? Go get tenergy 05 for your one serve and see how much better you do with it. Be my guest.

... If I only had a dollar for everytime a basement player, with a good serve, who scores most of his points with it vs his buddies, comes to club and is surprised that they're no longer getting gimmie points, I'd be a rich man.

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All those people making BS comments don't master Tomahawk serve.
So here are some master tips of Tomahawk serve with some baseball twist into it.

Here are just some variety of Tomahawk serves with "intended" purpose.

1.  Tomahawk serve (Topspin) just "barely" out of bound
    This give "indecisiveness" the opponent has split second indecisiveness of whether to attack or return safe,  this "forces" them to open the wrist.  When they open the wrist they have no full strength and prone to error.

2. Tomahawk serve (BRUSH thin and hard)  ( Topspin) close to the table near net
    This forces opponent to open wrist and return safe or forehand flick attack.
    The ball either return long, popped to your forehand or return safe to forehand.
    Unless they are damn good forehand flicker, you have advantage on forehand.

3.  Tomahawk "hard" side-backspin close to net on his forehand, induces opponent to do forehand loop.
     Because the ball bounces at the same height and speed similar to "topspin", they could not tell
    if it is a topspin or backspin ( especially if you have good wrist power).  The ball tend to hit the net or 
    low return to your forehand.  ( you have advantage)

4.  I typically don't serve Tomahawk side spin.  Why ?
     Baseball theory perhaps.  
     Any side spin can be easily loop/drive returned, due to ball spin horizontally, and loop/drive tend to go
     vertical brush, which gives side spin serve less leverage.  Therefore its an easy serve to loop and        drive.

    But it does have one advantage,  if your opponent tend to return to your weak backhand, then you may want to add little extra side spin( + backspin or + topspin ) , so the ball could return to your forehand.

   Remember, all tomahawk topspin and backspin has some element of sidespin.

5. Tomahawk hard (backspin| topspin) to opponents left kidney jam 
( must have curve ball effect for illusion jam )

6.  Tomahawk hard ( backspin | topspin) to opponents right kidney jam
 ( must have curve ball effect for illusion jam)

7.  Tomahawk reverse backspin ( just so to add variety but use sparingly)

8.  Tomahawk reverse topspin ( rarely use, too risky, the rotation of axis are perfect for opponent backhand loop)

I have about 12 different tomahawk serves, some are top secret.   Smile
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What is Ding Ning using for this?
(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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So chop slice...you never answered what your level is.
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Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

So chop slice...you never answered what your level is.

I am not going to respond to drive by shooting remarks.  It is best be done by 
"South Central L.A. folks"  like in city of Compton 
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Originally posted by chopslice chopslice wrote:

Okay I made up my mind,  I am going to go with DHS Hurricane 3 NEO national rubber from ebay.
( most likely is fake , but should be good as well )



OK, now that we have all been enlightened by your choice this thread is locked preemptively before it gets really ugly.
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