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    Posted: 01/08/2019 at 10:28am
I would like to know who uses short pips here, and if you are a defensive or attacking player.
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I´m a SP penholder with inverted in RPB.
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Spectol Red 2.0 on Bh. Attacking with Bh most of time. Even Bh blocks tend to be more aggressive punch style rather than defensive blocks. Working hard on staying aggressive against higher quality balls instead of getting defensive.

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I have dabbled with medium pips and have used them quite a bit. Medium pips, Gambler Peacekeeper on my Cpen blade. I do not play RPB and I am fairly attack-oriented but I have a very strong backhand punch-block and flat hit. I do try to convert as my backhands into a forehand as possible.
My main setup though is inverted on single-ply blades, but I find pips-out to be a fun change as well.
Sorry if my reply is not what you were looking for since Peacekeeper is medium pips, not short-pips. 
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Shakehand short pips in BH (Spinlord Waran 2). All-round style (blocks, drives, short game, pushes)

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Shortpips user here:
Fh: Spinpips red Bh: Tenergy hard 05 ZJKszlc
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FH Mizuno Booster SA 2.0
BH Xiom Vega Europe 1.8
Blade Nittaku Ludeack ST

Mainly allround play style
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Originally posted by Giz Giz wrote:

FH Mizuno Booster SA 2.0
BH Xiom Vega Europe 1.8
Blade Nittaku Ludeack ST

Mainly allround play style
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Is Mizuno Booster SA fast? Can you compare it to Waran, Moristo or Blowfish?

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spinpips red 1.5 on bh; flat hit + loop vs underspin
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Originally posted by cmugica cmugica wrote:

Originally posted by Giz Giz wrote:

FH Mizuno Booster SA 2.0
BH Xiom Vega Europe 1.8
Blade Nittaku Ludeack ST

Mainly allround play style
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Is Mizuno Booster SA fast? Can you compare it to Waran, Moristo or Blowfish?

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Booster SA is pretty fast and spinning. I can compare with TSP Spinpips Red same thickness. It is a bit less fast but spinnier and more sensitive to incoming spin. It has almost no deception but a good control, maybe as Spinpips Red.
Shortly I’m going to try Spinlord Waran 1.8.
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Shakehands
Spinpips blue FH
T05 Hard BH

Fairly aggressive all-rounder, right up at the table. Flat forehand, strong backhand loop. Emphasis on position and spin over raw power.
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I use a Friendship 802 Mystery 3, Palio AK47 Red (BH) and a Ma Lin Carbon cpen blade.

I´m a blocker and counter-attacker.
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Originally posted by Giz Giz wrote:

Originally posted by cmugica cmugica wrote:

Originally posted by Giz Giz wrote:

FH Mizuno Booster SA 2.0
BH Xiom Vega Europe 1.8
Blade Nittaku Ludeack ST

Mainly allround play style
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Is Mizuno Booster SA fast? Can you compare it to Waran, Moristo or Blowfish?

Thank you.


Booster SA is pretty fast and spinning. I can compare with TSP Spinpips Red same thickness. It is a bit less fast but spinnier and more sensitive to incoming spin. It has almost no deception but a good control, maybe as Spinpips Red.
Shortly I’m going to try Spinlord Waran 1.8.
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I got sink from booster SA when you flat hit the opponent hit the net a lot of times. Where do you get SA?

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I use short pips on my forehand. Do you think the new ball is good or bad for short pips? I feel that you need to work harder to get a hard shot, But everyone need to Do that. I Do think the less spin of the ball suits counterhitting and short pimple play.
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I got sink from booster SA when you flat hit the opponent hit the net a lot of times. Where do you get SA?
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If the player is not used with SP the deception of booster SA is enough to win points on flat hits but Rakza PO is way more deceptive. Maybe after Waran experiment I'll come back to Rakza PO.

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Originally posted by Lula Lula wrote:

I use short pips on my forehand. Do you think the new ball is good or bad for short pips? I feel that you need to work harder to get a hard shot, But everyone need to Do that. I Do think the less spin of the ball suits counterhitting and short pimple play.
I think it´s bad. I mean, when you compare with 38mm ball the new one is worse to play with SP.
SP game has speed as main weapon and the bigger the diameter of the ball, less speed you will generate.
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I've played short and medium pimples on both back hand and forehand. I've recently changed back to inverted on both sides because the pimples I ordered are stuck in customs. I prefer all my pimples in 1.5 sponge, but the shops in Vietnam only carry most of the pimples in max sponge. For me, the best forehand short pimple was Spectol Blue. My favorite backhand pimples are Spinpips Blue, 802-40 on custom 1.5 sponge from Cole's TT, and Butterfly Challenger Attack. 


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How different do you find spinpips blue and spectol blue?
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Originally posted by Lula Lula wrote:

I use short pips on my forehand. Do you think the new ball is good or bad for short pips? I feel that you need to work harder to get a hard shot, But everyone need to Do that. I Do think the less spin of the ball suits counterhitting and short pimple play.

I think it´s bad. I mean, when you compare with 38mm ball the new one is worse to play with SP.
SP game has speed as main weapon and the bigger the diameter of the ball, less speed you will generate.


The speed and spin is less for everyone. I think the less spin is most noticeable and that is worse for spinoriented players and choppers than for short pimple players i would say.
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Originally posted by Lula Lula wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Originally posted by Lula Lula wrote:

I use short pips on my forehand. Do you think the new ball is good or bad for short pips? I feel that you need to work harder to get a hard shot, But everyone need to Do that. I Do think the less spin of the ball suits counterhitting and short pimple play.

I think it´s bad. I mean, when you compare with 38mm ball the new one is worse to play with SP.
SP game has speed as main weapon and the bigger the diameter of the ball, less speed you will generate.


The speed and spin is less for everyone. I think the less spin is most noticeable and that is worse for spinoriented players and choppers than for short pimple players i would say.


Sp players now win playing with variation and placement but I play with amateurs and the speed is there, its hard to return a sp smash close to the table the best example is mathias karlsson and hzw
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Originally posted by Lula Lula wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Originally posted by Lula Lula wrote:

I use short pips on my forehand. Do you think the new ball is good or bad for short pips? I feel that you need to work harder to get a hard shot, But everyone need to Do that. I Do think the less spin of the ball suits counterhitting and short pimple play.

I think it´s bad. I mean, when you compare with 38mm ball the new one is worse to play with SP.
SP game has speed as main weapon and the bigger the diameter of the ball, less speed you will generate.


The speed and spin is less for everyone. I think the less spin is most noticeable and that is worse for spinoriented players and choppers than for short pimple players i would say.
But SP penhold hitters need the incoming spin to maximize counter attacks. With less spin counters are also less effective. It´s not coincidence the style disappeared after 40mm ball was introduced.
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I can agree that it benefits short pimple players if the ball have more spin since you get more help. Nowdays maybe you need to work a little more with the body, but everyone needs to do that. I still think short pimple could work fine today because we are not affected so much by the less spin compared to others and it is easier to counterhit the ball closer to the table in general. I think Harimoto would not be near as successfull with the older ball, even less with the 38 mm since his close to the table counterlooping game works well and is easier with the new ball. But maybe he could have adapted. 

I think it more suited to play with shakehand short pimple today since i think it is easier or more natural to use the body while smashing forehand with shakehand. I agree with you that penholders usually play alot more counterhitting closer to the table. 

I do not know if the ball had anything to do with short pimple players disappearing. I think China had a hard time against europe and especially sweden and needed to change something to win more. They became more successfull with the looping game and kept on doing that. Then i feel that they tried to keep their winning concept.  But maybe they did not succeed with the short pimple play anymore because of the ball, so you might be correct. 

Here in sweden the short pimple style is not forgotten. Since Mattias Falck is doing well there are pretty many players using short pimple pretty successfull with short pimple on the forehand. I think it is alot about that coaches do not have enough knowledge about material and how to use short pimple so therefor alot of players do not try this style. 

I do think the ball is really affecting choppers. Especially pushblockers. They do not get enough spin so they are forced to become more offensive. I do not think it is a good idea to become a chopper today. But then again, Ma Te is doing retty well it seems so if it works for one it can work for more. 

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There's still a decent amount of people using short pips forehand and anti-spin or LP on the backhand.

Amelie Solja is still top 100 using this style, so it can hardly be seen as extinct! As you go down the ranks, the style pops up more often as well. 

Sriram Sushmit does it at a pretty high level for men's game also. 

Whereas more passive pushblockers suffer from lack of spin, the blocker + aggressive hitter still has many opportunities to catch the opponent off guard. 
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Yes! I Do think pushblockers need to attack more But one option would be to try anti instead. I find it amazing that really really good players seem to have problem how they should play against anti and how to read the spin.

He is fun to watch and is really good with the anti But i so not think his forehand is so good.

I agree. I play with short pimple on the forehand and block, smash alot and think the new ball suits this game pretty okey.
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Originally posted by obesechopper obesechopper wrote:

There's still a decent amount of people using short pips forehand and anti-spin or LP on the backhand.

Amelie Solja is still top 100 using this style, so it can hardly be seen as extinct! As you go down the ranks, the style pops up more often as well. 

Sriram Sushmit does it at a pretty high level for men's game also. 

Whereas more passive pushblockers suffer from lack of spin, the blocker + aggressive hitter still has many opportunities to catch the opponent off guard. 


Amelie Solja used to loop with inverted FH. I doubt she changed her style
(which I considered imitating).
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I also use Short Pips now on my Right Hand BH, Legend 105 to be precise.

The reason: I am looking for longer rallies to practice my inverted FH counterhits and my normal LPs on BH (Grass) usually end the point against my intermediate-level partners. Either I miss or the miss the next shot.

My cream-sponged Legend 105 is only 23g and does not change the weight of the bat too much.

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Originally posted by pitigoi pitigoi wrote:

Originally posted by obesechopper obesechopper wrote:

There's still a decent amount of people using short pips forehand and anti-spin or LP on the backhand.

Amelie Solja is still top 100 using this style, so it can hardly be seen as extinct! As you go down the ranks, the style pops up more often as well. 

Sriram Sushmit does it at a pretty high level for men's game also. 

Whereas more passive pushblockers suffer from lack of spin, the blocker + aggressive hitter still has many opportunities to catch the opponent off guard. 


Amelie Solja used to loop with inverted FH. I doubt she changed her style
(which I considered imitating).


Do you have any videos of her looping? Dont think I've ever seen her do it. And everywhere I read, even from people who met her in person, say the forehand is pips also.

In an old interview from 2010 I believe, she said she started as a double inverted player but swapped her style very soon.



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I just watched a game of her. It does not look beautiful when she play but diversity is fun and as long as it works for her. She seem to get very good effect on the backhand, but she could barely smash with forehand i think but maybe she was very passive in the match i saw. 

I know a guy that uses long pimple and short pimple and i find it intersting that players choose to play with long pimple or anti on the bh and short pimple on the fh. I think they would get to many balls with backspin on the forehand and short pimple is in my opinion useless on that kind of ball. But maybe they get some opportunities to smash when people loop against the backspin. 
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Originally posted by Lula Lula wrote:

I just watched a game of her. It does not look beautiful when she play but diversity is fun and as long as it works for her. She seem to get very good effect on the backhand, but she could barely smash with forehand i think but maybe she was very passive in the match i saw. 

I know a guy that uses long pimple and short pimple and i find it intersting that players choose to play with long pimple or anti on the bh and short pimple on the fh. I think they would get to many balls with backspin on the forehand and short pimple is in my opinion useless on that kind of ball. But maybe they get some opportunities to smash when people loop against the backspin. 


You block loops with the anti and it results in back spin -- which the opponent tries to reloop, so you block again. Or they push it back, often times too high -- and then you smash those with the short pips. Your pushes have to very low and tight, otherwise they get smashed. Amelie is top 100 for a reason! Her FH is lethal against those. 


Generally speaking the people who use inverted forehand with anti are more fh oriented. They do loops and such just using the anti for a pace change now and then. Though not always, you can do the same with fh pips if you like the style.

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