Y does Joo Se Hyuk win???

If the nets are raised than everyone reverts back to high spin loops. Hitters and loop drivers would be disadvantaged.
Pip blockers would have a easier time I guess same with the defenders.

he is good than ma long on that day..

I have read that before. Its still great.

It is very hard to lift a heavy chop using side spin. It won't work. Any good chopper will not a looper get set and allow them to loop to where they want. We will always keep them on the move. You try to put side spin on any chop and it will end up in the net.

sidofmillenium wrote: According to the theory, u should limit your opponent's options as much as u can.  The faster the ball, the spinnier, the more unpredictable, the harder it is for the opponent to pick.  Therefore, looping is clearly the Supreme style of playing, b/c like Wang Hao, u can keep the pressure on, till the opponent makes a mistake. Now, therefore, Joo Se Hyuk, shouldn't even be able to get a game of the opponent of that status.  His coach stated that he is no exception to the rule of being offensive, but he is just more strategical.  I dont get it. At my club, I am a solid 1900 looper, and no choppers upto 2100 has a chance against me...they r soo easy.  Therefore, just like that one time, when Wang Liqin raped Joo se Hyuk, why isn't it like that everytime?

shakehand offensive have upperhand right now. bigger ball made it sloewr but equipment speed it back up again. i find defending 40mm harder than 38 because the ball is fast and has a lot more momentum. besides, offensive players control the game, choppers just try to return the balls and hope for mistake.

what is interesting is that yoshida really destroyed joo se hyuk, i really wanted to see the match and see what happened.

I think the players who use spinny loops tend to have more trouble playing against Joo. Ma Long's loop is not like WLQ who uses a loop stroke to start a rally but starts driving the ball ASAP the topspin rally starts. Ma Long's more loop like stroke causes problems for topspin-topspin players but it makes it harder once he runs into topspin-backspin play. WLQ when he plays will loop. soft loop, until the balls a little bit high, then starts pounding it.

jkillashark wrote: I think the players who use spinny loops tend to have more trouble playing against Joo. Ma Long's loop is not like WLQ who uses a loop stroke to start a rally but starts driving the ball ASAP the topspin rally starts. Ma Long's more loop like stroke causes problems for topspin-topspin players but it makes it harder once he runs into topspin-backspin play. WLQ when he plays will loop. soft loop, until the balls a little bit high, then starts pounding it.

doubt it, playing like ma long is the something ppl dream of. WLQ softly brush it because he cant get into position to loop kill like ma long. I believe WLQ at his primes is better than ma long though.

Joo is the MAN. he is amazing.

I disagree. The reason that there is not a lot of good choppers is it takes too long to learn how to be a good chopper. No one is willing to take the time to learn. Its easier to be a attacker. The game nowadays is geared more toward attackers also. Some people find defenders are boring. We are not boring. We are just very patient players.

I totally agree with RedMan.After a while practicing long pips - modern chopper style , I found out that it's much harder than learn the attacking style using inverted rubbers.You can see very clearly through my example : loop is the stroke that is used the most by loopers and chop is the stroke that is used the most by choppers and which one is harder ? Do I have to say ? 15 spinny, powerful loops in a row is quite hard but still ok ,but 15 chops that go low, spinny and long ? I dont think many of us can do that.Just because people nowadays are taking the easy way, the short way doesnt mean defenders are boring, it's just harder and take more time.Choppers are just attackers that use backspin.Do they call loopers,... attackers because they use the stroke that gives the ball more spin, more spin so it hits the table and go off and score a point ? If chops are that easy to execute and so fast, so spinny then I'm sure defender isnt suitable for calling people that chops.

Everyone's game is unique because we dont play exactly 100% like others.Ding Song couldnt unleash such powerful fh loops all the time like Joo, and btw Joo has very good serves also, bear in mind that good serves dont give you point directly but they dont allow your opponent to give you back a strong attack or even give you opportunity to setup your attack.

sidofmillenium wrote: Defensive style is obviously more consistent, and one can eliminate the variable of spin b/c of the junk rubber.  The only ppl who still use junk rubber r those who r stuck with the times of the past.  All the new players that r coming out, r using untuned, grippy tense rubbers....Although in my opinion, tacky rubbers r inferior to tension rubbers as well...but if u want to be the most consistent, 1 side tacky, and 1 side long pips...and u have got the best combo.  But at higher level, u need more than consistency, u need to force your opponents to miss by making the ball go faster.  B/c of the highest techniques, spin variation wont do much, same goes for drop shots.  Choppers have no shot at winning world title anymore.  They r simply inferior.

It's spelled "are" and "you" and this is what we call trolling, attacking groups of people and starting unending arguments, like how tacky rubber sucks, junk rubber users are stuck in the past, and choppers are no longer any good.

I think when you look at the ratio in high level choppers to attackers compared to the ratio of juniors who start out as choppers to those who are loopers/attackers i don't think that the future of choppers is all too grim, just not enough juniors choose to play the defensive style. If it was half and half, i would bet that choppers would be able to occupy a good number of spots in the top 100 ;).


"There used to be tons of defensive players, but the reason they decreased is b/c the faster u can give the ball the opponent, and the more trouble he will be in, and topspin makes better arc.  Also, I m pretty sure if Joo Se Hyuk won the world championship, including me, everyone would be a chopper, but the deal is, there is no funding in defensive players b/c everyone knows, they dont win.(its not the other way around)"

i guess you'd agree a big reason choppers dont have as much success at the top level is because its being undermined at the beginning levels. but the reason you provide to why that's true is because choppers are not successful in the first place.  You just have your order wrong.  The reason why choppers are not having as much success is because nobody starts out being choppers, not vice-versa.  The warrants as to why choppers suck and never win is basically using Joo's loss to Schlager in the final of the WTTC.  for some reason, Joo losing 4-2 in the finals of the WTTC = "no funding in defensive players b/c everyone knows, they dont win"