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sidofmillenium 
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In the hardbat era, EVERYONE was a chopper. Once they introduced sponge, ppl had ot change to fight others offensive style. In theory, u can never steal a point away, all u can do is try your best; which is being consistent at posing as many problems as possible. I think chopper is way too predictable....not to mention, when their chops get too heavy, u can just do a short drop shot. So u get unlimited attacking chances. Michael Maze and ma lin mix chop with their loops and lobs....that is a way to go...a person's style has to be most flexible to adapt all challanges.
Theman, u r right about me being a philosophical explorer ;)
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I can't believe that people still think that LPs are insensitive to spin. OX LPs are less so, but those who play the spin variation game using sponge LP actually *need* grip. But anyway.
I agree about how juniors are not encouraged to be choppers, thereby contributing to the lack of choppers at the top level. I disagree that defensive style is not "successful" - Joo is doing very well where he is right now, considering the circumstances. I'm sure if he'd won the 2003 WTTC the critics would be silenced. Nevertheless, there are more choppers coming up now (Gionis, Park, Wang etc). Personally, I find playing the modern defensive style to be full of fun, whether it's a "successful" style or not. |
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hahahahahahaha sid
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show me a video where joo scores 2 or more points with his serve?. why do you claim that joo's loops are stronger.
good serves dont give you a point , has you ever heard of liu gl.. if the ball sinks is not direct point?
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL catch your breath, its ok. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL its not his fault. He's just a kid. OK, just one more. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL |
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He wins because he has a good 3rd ball attack as well as counterloop. You basically have to play him like a looper.
The moment you start pushing long or giving weak loops, he will start attacking.
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Ok, listen.I might be wrong when I say good serves dont give you point directly but most of the time, it's very hard to get a direct point at such a high level, although it's possible but it's hard.If Joo's serves arent good then he will never have a good 3rd ball attack, and dont tell me his 3rd ball attack sucks =)) His loops are not only stronger but more fierce, mightier also  I watched Ding Song playing so you dont need to argue with me about that man.And btw, I agree that LGL has very good HIDDEN SERVES that can give him direct points but it's ILLEGAL now so ... get out of here LGL ;) |
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+1
have you notice that when JOO attacks with his strong loops and counter, its 90+% done his point? JOO's amazing!
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isnt that too obvious (_ _") :D His loops are very strong and consistent also.You can watch the match joo vs mizuntani korean open 2009, everyone will get what i mean :D
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Okay, first of all, I have read it takes 10 years to become world champion level, I have spent 7 :) Second, I understand that choppers spin is very unpredictable...but his placement is...also at the speed ball returns...its very easy to adjust even if its a surprise. Third, the technique used to overpower spin with your own guiding it with right trajectory of topspin kill...and if the ball gets too heavy, then just slightly touch it..and topspin lob it back....thats what Schlager did a lot of times at 2003 World championship. Ppl up there r faster, smarter, and better funded. but the laws remain the same. A more consistent player who is able to limit his options greater wins. Therefore, a chopper can only win as long as the Looper is not consistent.(including psychologically)
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I'm pretty sure that only counts if it's 10 years under the top professional coach in the world, starting around the age 5, and with the best competition in the world, all assuming you are gifted and lucky enough never to get injured. What are you trying to say? In 3 years you'll be on par with Wang Hao? That's what it sounds like. |
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Well, chopper doesnt only chop the ball man ! They also attack aggressively especially modern defensive player so dont say therefore a chopper can win as long as the looper is not consistent.And remember that no one is 100% consistent even its WLQ or Schlager or Wang hao, Ma lin, ...
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I don't care how well all these top guys loop. Every time they play with Joo, they look like scared rabbits and they GRIND through the game. Lately, they play against Joo much more frequently and probably train against facing him more often. In the past ( a year back or so ), they were less adapt to playing that style.
Same goes for Chen Weixing's opponents. Although Joo is a much better master of that style. |
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I know it only counts as professional training..but I feel I m a little smarter for that :)
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sid, you are too cocky for a 1740 rating, i just hope you know what you're talking about - just reading your posts here, it seems you don't. just keep practicing.
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Cocky means thinking I m superior than others...since it is a competetive environment, I understand I might be sending out a wrong msg. It has nothing to do with others. Its just that, I know, through the flow my life has guided me through...I m quite different. I take it as my strength. Its my hope that my pain has a payoff. My vision is more than a dream. Although, I haven't made any realistic progress in terms of performance in terms of winning/losing. But spectators have agreed that I m the most fun to watch b/c of my out-of-the-world shots and my CRAZY lobs...
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Y does Sid lose? coz choppers r always lucky, getting all these nets and edges.. but his life flow is different so he will be number 1 in the world if losing counts as winning coz thats what happened in his dreams
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well, actually its more than that, I have seen myself getting things that all others around me struggle with...I c myself as very intelligent.(I live in the company of nerds :)
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lol
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I second that lol. |
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Let me mention 1 thing...new rising star Dima...old almost retired Rosskopf...beat Joo Se Hyuk. Whereas Joo everyone once in a while...ends up beating any of the top players.(when they r off their mental form...which happens quite often at high level) So everytime they win...is b/c the other guy breaks down. We see that happen all the time...it happened against Persson recently, and Ma Long some time ago.
An Attacker playing at his peak will annhilate a chopper...just like Wang Liqin did to Joo Se Hyuk.
Which is why a chopper can never win a big tournament...b/c everyone is playing at their very best.(they would have to be extremely lucky)
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You seem to be suffering from the illusion that ping pong pro players will play at their best in tournaments. You also seem to have mixed up human beings and robots. The neural network in our brain is extremely complex and it is futile to figure out completely someone else's game. The reason or reasons, why Ma long wins or loses or why Joo wins is though interesting for us lay men, is something that is deeply personal to them and their coaches. If you understand this you may become a better player and a better person. Good luck with your practice & tournaments. |
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I do not understand it. |
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That is just a theory...there is no proof weather what u say is true or not. There have been so many choppers since the sponge era...but not a single one has won anything. Face the reality. After Joo retires...choppers will be extinct. |
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U r the one who has constantly been throwing insults. I always try to put logic ahead of my ego.
Odds is not the only variable present, so u cannot hold that as being the only reason. Which is why...odds r against u.
1. Hou Yingchao
2. Ding Song
3. Chen Weixing
4. Chen Xinhua
5. Joo Se Hyuk
6. Koji Matsush*ta
I mean something where good ppl actually participated.
Name 1 chopper that will be contender to be World no. 1 after Joo retires?
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Sid, next time you should quote his post - this way it will be visible in your reply and the other guy won't be able to erase it.
Jonan, I am telling you as a last warning - grow up a bit and watch your language. I can see that you realized yourself that you went over the top, and in the future you should do that kind of check before you hit Post button, not after. Thanks. |
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The reasons (I think) that joo wins are:
1) if he gets lucky enough to catch younger players who aren't as used to playing choppers. Some of the older guys with maybe less talent don't have as much trouble as the younger guys. I noticed I saw hou yinchao a lot more after joo's success. Like they decided to put more choppers into their national mix so they could have top level guys to practice against
2) It seems that joo is simply a better athlete than most of his opponents
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