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jt99sf
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So in the spirit of the rule, you are in violation. No excuses...
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I mean it just seems like such a silly thing to be so uptight about. Again, it'd be different if RC was undetectable like it is now but significantly changed the playing characteristics of the rubber.
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jt99sf
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sorry, it wasn't you.
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jt99sf
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+10
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jt99sf
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They can use it as an excuse: I lost to him because he was using RC instead of WBG. Dang it!!
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BeaverMD
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Perhaps you'd be interested in what Adham has to say. I will say though that I've had some success with using Tear Mender.
Edited by BeaverMD - 07/14/2011 at 4:02pm |
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formidableone14
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While that staement does go against my beliefs, I do appreciate you bringing this light onto the subject.
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bayttplayer
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So, no excuses.
You can find many excuses...but still just excuses..
The racket itself is illegal, that is a fact..
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racquetsforsale
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When airing out the RC smell from rubber and blade after application and before adhering the rubber to the blade, how do you guys keep them dust free?
Or do you adhere rubber to blade as soon as the RC has dried and then just let the assembed paddle air out?
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jt99sf
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I do my gluing process in my garage and never had a dust issue, you?
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Anton Chigurh
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I think this pretty much ends the debate. (Bold added by me for emphasis.) Thank you, BeaverMD, for locating and posting this. If the president of the ITTF says that gluing your racquet with "unadulterated" rubber cement is legal, then it's legal (assuming you let it air out). The end. Edited by Anton Chigurh - 07/14/2011 at 7:56pm |
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racquetsforsale
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Just in my living room with all the windows opened. My whole house is dusty despite regular dusting.
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cole_ely
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Can I just add this question: What in the world is Adham thinking when he says mfgrs will make blades that are resistent to water glue?
Perhaps he thinks butterfly will genetically modify the hinoki tree? Or totally change the woods they're using? Hello, it's called sealing your blade and anybody can do it.
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bluebucket
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Maybe he's going to open up the restrictions on blades so we can have some made with alloy or composite top plys :D
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racquetsforsale
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I tested using RC today. I applied it to two sheets of used 729 Super FX. They really sucked up the stuff and the sponges domed for about 5 minutes. Though the glue layers on both sponges and blade looked a bit uneven right after application, they dried smoothly. The smell was bad during application but after adhering the rubbers to the blade the fumes coming off were minimal and I expect they should mostly be gone by tomorrow.
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wturber
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I'm still trying to figure out what Adham considers a fact. If VOCs were as dangerous as he implies then Elmer's rubber cement wouldn't be so easily purchased by any kid at the local drug store. Heck, spray paints are locked up, but not rubber cement. If it were really that dangerous, then it would not sell so cheaply. The liability risk would cause the price to increase by quite a bit. I'd love to see the scientific research that proves that gluing a racket every month or so with rubber cement is dangerous to your health. Note also how he recommends airing the racket. Where should it be aired? And why is that any safer than airing it out while playing with it? Most playing venues are well ventilated and large, with high ceilings. Most homes are much more confined. If Adham is concerned about player health he should be more clear about the "safe" way to air a racket. BTW, does the ITTF suggest that playing venues be tested for VOC levels. I'd be willing to bet that some venues are loaded with VOCs - especially newly constructed or freshly painted ones. The amount of VOCs added by even a hundred speed glued rackets is probably not significant by comparison. I'm for the speed glue ban because speed gluing promoted a high frequency of exposure by players to a lot of VOCs of various types. But the ITTF's current zero tolerance takes a good idea and turns it into a silly one. There is no scientific justification for it (zero tolerance) that I'm aware of. Edited by wturber - 07/16/2011 at 12:02am |
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BH-Man
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Very logical points Jay. You are keeping it real.
C'mon RC opposition, Ur turn.
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pnachtwey
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I buy my rubber cement at the arts and crafts section of Walmart or at an arts and crafts store. It is relatively cheap compared to water based glue. I go through one jar of Elmer's rubber cement every 3 months.
The volatile fumes dissipate quickly. The key letter/word in VOC is volatile which means they volatile components are soon gone. The end result is similar to water based glues. I have never experience any enhanced performance using Elmer's rubber cement. I use water based glues for gluing 0X rubbers and on my best paddle otherwise I use rubber cement.
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RedMan
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If I remember correctly the reason speed glue was banned was because of the VOC's. Not to slow the game down. Didn't a guy die in Japan from being in a room while he was gluing up his bat? I could be wrong. I thought I heard something like that. Now think about this. How many times have you gone to a tourney. Went into the little glue room only to come out with a headache. Remember those little rooms. I have never used SG but just going into the room I would get one. I think the ITTF banned the use of VOC's to protect what little brain cells we have. That's fine with me. But I do use Elmers glue. Not for the effect. Which I don't think there is any. But it's cheaper than the water based you buy at Paddle Palace or other stores. When I glue a sheet of rubber to my bat I don't glue the rubber. I just put a few coats on the bat and it works fine. And I only get new rubber about 4 times a year. And yes I do air the paddle out over night. And It has been checked and it did pass. The other reason I think they banned SG is because some people were getting out of hand with the different things they were mixing with the glue. I know a guy that was mixing gasoline and and a few other things to get the most out of it. I have used the same setup with and without Elmers Glue. No difference. At all. So all you people just looking for stuff to complain about at the ITTf. Get a grip. You can make some of the people happy some of the time, but you can't make all the people happy all of the time.
Edited by RedMan - 07/16/2011 at 4:35am |
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Redman, When peeling off the rubber, does the RC end up on the sponge anyway or does most of it stay on the blade and can be easily removed from the blade? If this method works, it sure saves the work, however little, of removing it from the sponge. Thanks. |
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You're right. I've noticed that.
Now that I've tried RC, I'm not going back to wbgs, especially after Free Chack left an entire unremovable film on each of my rubbers. |
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RedMan
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I don't take the rubber off very often. Only when I am going to replace out. So I really don't pay too much attention when I take it off. But from what I do remember there is not that much.
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cole_ely
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The guy who died, I read, died of a severe allergic reaction, much like some people react to peanuts. Still, it was enough to be the straw that broke the camel's back I think. That or it just became another reason to list for what the ittf already planned to do.
I suppose now that it's over I can see their motivations, but I still miss playing with glue.
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bluebucket
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Years ago a kid died from sleeping near a can of speed glue with out lid but that was back at least in the 90s. There was a more recent death I think which help the latest total ban along. It's not those couple of things that caused the ban though. Mostly it's the long term health effects of long term use of these kinds of glues, which are 100% proven to give you cancer in the end as well as other general health problems
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Cole, I never played with SG, but Rob sent me a bottle of tuner (back before ITTF made it clear it waz a No-Go) and I really miss what a sheet of tuned Bryce can do in the countering and looping game. Yeah, we gotz T05, but it is rediculous expensive. :)
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