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Quick summary:
1) noticeably heavier. Good feeling
2) noticeably less spin. The ball does not dip at the tailing part of a heavy loop. This is a bummer because I can generate heavy top spin. I guess I will work on it or may even try it with the 40+ rubber on the forehand. Serves were affected, found Ma Lin's ghost serve spins back less viciously. Something else to work on.
3) longer rally as when the ball bounces off the table, the initial spin is noticeably reduced.
4) durability is a concern. See my previous post.
5) bright white and good colour retention. I found the white to be brighter and it didn't loose its brightness unlike the celluloid white which did even after 1 hour use.
6) the speed was alright

The ball and packaging look like that shown in the first post.

Would I buy the balls again? A big yes, but fingers crossed that it is durable... Time will tell.

And, I would also like to try the 1 and 2 stars poly balls.

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I played my first two matches with the ball against a hitter who usually can't get a match off me because  my spin and deception always gets him.  He won both matches 11-9 in the 5th.  I missed quite a few shots because the ball didn't dip as expected.  While I didn't play him in the fashion that brings my best results, I do realize that I will have to make some adjustments to how I play.  The ball doesn't break viciously with sidespin so anyone who overly relies on hook looping is going to feel some pain (the blocks can still be difficult so not all is lost, but you aren't going to make the person chase the ball as much).  Consistent loop drivers and hitters will get the most bang for their buck.  You really have to work hard to put this ball past people.
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SUPER ATHLETES WANTED !!!

Likewise DHS, XSF one-piece ball would tend to produce visually less arc curvature.
Our coach-in-chief told his boys to loop the ball MORE UPWARDS AND FORCEFULLY thus they could now got the ball sinking down as steep as usual. Ball curvature can be redressed by muscular power.


Have got pretty sure now -- PLastic Bigger Balls will need robust, sturdy athletes so as to play power, spinny rallies.
More swingy strokes needed certainly. Yes.


Again, the superior PERCEPTIBILITY is the ball's virtue to compliment very much...    
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Have got pretty sure now -- PLastic Bigger Balls will need robust, sturdy athletes so as to play power, spinny rallies.
More swingy strokes needed certainly. Yes.
 

Fewer girls and children willing to play a sport dominated by sturdy muscle types, less money spent on coaching and camps, less revenue for current clubs, bottom line more clubs fold.
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are they so different that you will absolutely have to/must buy a whole/entire new set of training/multi balls?

or, is it close enough that you can still get away with the old balls for training, despite using the new balls for games/competition?

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Originally posted by in2spin in2spin wrote:

are they so different that you will absolutely have to/must buy a whole/entire new set of training/multi balls?

or, is it close enough that you can still get away with the old balls for training, despite using the new balls for games/competition?

thanks

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I think I can answer that. If you train with the old balls, playing with the new balls will be similar to changing rubber to a lower throw and harder rubber.  Really not something to recommend. Also, the strategy will be a lot different, because flipping over the table or power looping close to table with the new balls does not pay.
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Thanks zeio, couldn't find it last time I searched.

Interestingly the first guy I played just thought it was a bad ball :) Recommend mixing in a few plastics before telling to get unbiased reactions.
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  1. Plastic balls will be used at ITTF Sanctioned events from 1st July 2014
  2. As an exception celluloid balls will be used at the 2014 Youth Olympic Games and at four (4) ITTF Junior Circuit events taking place after 1st July 2014 but before the 2014 YOG

Here is the list of the four (4) ITTF Junior Circuit events exceptionally using celluloid balls in the period between 1st July and 15th August 2014:

  • 2014 Korean Junior & Cadet Open, 23-27 July
  • 2014 Hong Kong Junior & Cadet Open, 6-10 August
  • 2014 Guatemala Junior & Cadet Open, 6-9 August
  • 2014 El Salvador Junior & Cadet Open, 12-15 August 

Here is the list of the ITTF event types where plastic balls will be used after 1st July 2014:

  • World Table Tennis Championships
  • World Junior Table Tennis Championships
  • World Cups (Men’s, Women’s and World Team Cup)
  • World Tour events including the World Tour Grand Finals
  • Global Junior Circuit events including the GJC Finals – except 4 tournaments specified in 2014
  • World Cadet Challenge
  • ITTF-Continental Championships and ITTF-Continental Cups
  • Olympic Games including qualification tournaments
  • Youth Olympic Games including qualification tournaments – except 2014 YOG

All the other tournament organisers can use any ITTF approved balls, plastic or celluloid. 

See attached the list of ITTF Approved ba

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One fellow from Hong Kong reports breakage within 30 minutes of forehand counter-hits, and forehand loops. No edge shots. No hard hits. Moments before the ball cracked open, he heard some weird sound, and the next hit was the last straw. HK $20(~US $2.56) for 1 ball, and sold only by unit, not by pack.

It is also reported that some balls are not even in thickness. One side is translucent while the other side is opaque.

It looks like they all split open with a huge crack:



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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

No hard hits. Moments before the ball cracked open, he heard some weird sound, and the next hit was the last straw.


@zeio,

Interesting! The described sound events match what happened in my incident.

I heard a strange sound with my shot and when my opponent hit the ball in return, there was this mini explosion sound, like the snapping of a plastic ruler. The next thing was, a massive crack on the ball. Though, as explained in my post, I did hit the net post a few shots earlier, and the ball seemed fine then.
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The ball hurts far more than the celluloid ball when it hits my fingers.
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

The ball hurts far more than the celluloid ball when it hits my fingers.

Protective sport safety eye ware might be a good idea\ wonder if USATT will recommend there use for children when playing with the new ball....
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Anyone know when orange poly balls will be out?  Just got a PaddlePalace catalog today that says "At this time only white balls are being produced and have ITTF approval.  Eventually the new plastic balls will be available in both white and orange." 

I practice in my garage which is painted white and has a bright white garage door.  I could repaint the walls, but not touching the door.  Orange balls show up great, white not so much. 

PP wants $25 for 12 Nittaku 3*s -- $300 to refill my robot.  I'll try to wait until poly balls are available in bulk training packs. 
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Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:

Anyone know when orange poly balls will be out?  Just got a PaddlePalace catalog today that says "At this time only white balls are being produced and have ITTF approval.  Eventually the new plastic balls will be available in both white and orange." 

I practice in my garage which is painted white and has a bright white garage door.  I could repaint the walls, but not touching the door.  Orange balls show up great, white not so much. 

PP wants $25 for 12 Nittaku 3*s -- $300 to refill my robot.  I'll try to wait until poly balls are available in bulk training packs. 

I remember leaving a comment on one of Joola's youtube videos where they introduced their poly ball. Asked about orange. They basically said at his time they have no plans on making them.

... Better get use to white.
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Originally posted by lineup32 lineup32 wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

The ball hurts far more than the celluloid ball when it hits my fingers.


Protective sport safety eye ware might be a good idea\ wonder if USATT will recommend there use for children when playing with the new ball....


I have been hit on the eye twice by the old ball and needed steroids for the trauma. I am concerned about what the new ball would do....

Edited by NextLevel - 07/09/2014 at 6:10pm
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double fisf has just emerged on Eacheng layout.
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Just checked eacheng.net and china-friend (eBay), they don't have DHS 40+ (***) ITTF approved  plastic balls for sale at this time.

That's the place that I usually buy my TT supplies.  May be sometime down the road they will have the balls for sale.  But not now.
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STONY FEELING DOES SUCK

All the plastics, DHS, XSF, Stiga are known to produce stony hard feeling,
much harder than celluloid.
Looking now for one to give some mild softish feeling.

Hopefully, DF meets my requirement better than DHS.

http://eacheng.net/index.php?act=detail&ID=3931
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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

STONY FEELING DOES SUCK

All the plastics, DHS, XSF, Stiga are known to produce stony hard feeling,
much harder than celluloid.
Looking now for one to give some mild softish feeling.

Hopefully, DF meets my requirement better than DHS.

http://eacheng.net/index.php?act=detail&ID=3931

wonder if ITTF did any health/injury studies using the new poly balls? My guess a good lawyer would like to know in case a junior lost an eye or suffered a head injury due to the ball.  
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I have had a hit with them tonight... They are not that bad at all.

They are definitely slower but not THAT slower, just a little. In general, I think it will slow down the game just a bit but the fun will remain. Maybe it will put choppers in a better position. On the pro's level I expect 3-4 touches more in a rally. I tried chopping with long pips and found it to be easier to control and to keep the ball short. The downside is that there is not so much spin on chops either but still the attackers will not be able to finish off the defenders so quickly.

The balls flight path is somewhat different like in 30-40 % of the possible match situations, it will take some getting used to.

Overall I think it is good and I would not complain if we had to switch to the DHS ball from tomorrow. The only problem is the poor durability that does not justify such a high price.


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Originally posted by Hans Regenkurt Hans Regenkurt wrote:



They are definitely slower but not THAT slower, just a little. In general, I think it will slow down the game just a bit but the fun will remain. Maybe it will put choppers in a better position. On the pro's level I expect 3-4 touches more in a rally. I tried chopping with long pips and found it to be easier to control and to keep the ball short. The downside is that there is not so much spin on chops either but still the attackers will not be able to finish off the defenders so quickly.




I think the effect is quite the opposite.  Choppers will be under much more pressure with the new ball, because attackers will make less errors due to reduced range of spin change possible for a chopper.  Also, the game will become faster for sure because the new ball will allow closer-to-the-table power counters with less error.


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It´s a new age for short pips hitters, choppers because their game it´s just based on spin deception. Less spin means also less mistakes and more hitting that looping.  I consider DHS balls much more fragile than Xushaofa, that last much longer. 



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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Just checked eacheng.net and china-friend (eBay), they don't have DHS 40+ (***) ITTF approved  plastic balls for sale at this time.

That's the place that I usually buy my TT supplies.  May be sometime down the road they will have the balls for sale.  But not now.
 
Eacheng has it now as well as DF and Palio 3 stars ittf approved ones but not cheap. Actually cost more than TT11 + shipping. Better price from taobao through buying agent. Could be had for $7 each box (6 balls) include shipping.
 
I found it is easier to generate spin for seamed balls (DHS, DF) than seamless (Palio, XSF). DF is the cheapest but got roundness issue. I got all 4 from taobao.
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Originally posted by roundrobin roundrobin wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Regenkurt Hans Regenkurt wrote:



They are definitely slower but not THAT slower, just a little. In general, I think it will slow down the game just a bit but the fun will remain. Maybe it will put choppers in a better position. On the pro's level I expect 3-4 touches more in a rally. I tried chopping with long pips and found it to be easier to control and to keep the ball short. The downside is that there is not so much spin on chops either but still the attackers will not be able to finish off the defenders so quickly.





I think the effect is quite the opposite.  Choppers will be under much more pressure with the new ball, because attackers will make less errors due to reduced range of spin change possible for a chopper.  Also, the game will become faster for sure because the new ball will allow closer-to-the-table power counters with less error.


It's not so clear to me. The ball is slower, so trying to play a fast game with quick-hitting near the table might not lead to any advantage. My own experience was this ball is that the reduction in speed is greater than the reduction in spin.

My feeling is that the styles that will be hurt most by this ball are those that seek a quick finish to the rally. If you're looking to put the ball away with the third ball attack, you might find that more challenging.

The guy who said we all need to be more fit might have has said it best.
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I agree.  I played with the ball some more and I think I played best when I set up to take the ball late and spin it.  Taking the ball early was largely a disadvantage because it was hard to get a full stroke and the spin didn't have enough time to make the ball flight path bother the opponent. I was tired after playing with the ball - it makes you work.

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Precisely because the ball is slower, pros will play closer to the table to compensate for reduction in speed.  Taking the ball earlier will also allow greater angles to mess up opponent's positioning and footwork.  He Zhi Wen's mastery in this strategy will be even more valuable with the new ball.  Those who play at mid-to-long distances will exhaust themselves trying to cover the entire court against quick attackers, as they can no longer load up the ball with enough spin to handcuff their attacking opponent.  Furthermore, if the made-in-Japan firmer Nittaku premium poly balls are chosen to set the standards for all world-class poly balls, they will also permit easier and more precise drop-shotting to bring defenders in.


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So we have two opposite view of playing the new ball now. Take the ball early or late? We may need a poll.



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You have to take it later than usual because there is less spin to use . But close to the table hitters will be less affected so they can do a little bit better
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