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Originally posted by DDreamer DDreamer wrote:

No spamming - I just don't understand. You loop off the bounce against chop?

yes its easier that way.... at least to me

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when i say off the bounce is when the ball is bouncing to its highest point


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You mean at the top of the bounce not off the bounce? Off the bounce is when you take the ball very early.
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Originally posted by DDreamer DDreamer wrote:

You mean at the top of the bounce not off the bounce? Off the bounce is when you take the ball very early.

yea sorry for the misunderstaning
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For chop ball I think it's easier to contact the ball on the fall, so you can lift the ball easier with a more upward stroke.
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The worst time to loop an under-spinning ball is when it starts to fall.
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Hey guys, you can do both you know, depends if you are going for spin or pace, or something in-between, but ultimately, you have to read what is on the incoming ball, then choose accordingly. Its possible to heavy topspin an incoming float, or 'dummy loop' an incoming heavy chop, the key is reading spin.
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Originally posted by atomant atomant wrote:

The worst time to loop an under-spinning ball is when it starts to fall.
Nah, Opposite. It is the easiest one. Smile

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Our coach here in AZ suggests taking the ball right off the bounce - close to the table - and brushing it. But, I can't brush loop to save myself so why I am I even posting? LOL 

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Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

Our coach here in AZ suggests taking the ball right off the bounce - close to the table - and brushing it. But, I can't brush loop to save myself so why I am I even posting? LOL 
When the loop (control loop) againt heavy underspin  takes at right off the bounce, it helps as the ball will not feel that heavy. The momentum of rising ball helps your uplift stroke. 
But the bad part is, it is harder to master and to have good control of height & placement of on-going balls. If player really does not have good swing and brush motion to cope with heavy underspin. Try to loop balls on early rising might help.


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Originally posted by aroonkl aroonkl wrote:

Originally posted by atomant atomant wrote:

The worst time to loop an under-spinning ball is when it starts to fall.

Nah, Opposite. It is the easiest one. Smile



its easier to loop an underspin when it hit its peak. when the ball starts to fall, underspin starts to kicks in and much harder to loop. it will require a player to excert much effort to counter spin it.

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Originally posted by j0hn j0hn wrote:

Originally posted by aroonkl aroonkl wrote:

Originally posted by atomant atomant wrote:

The worst time to loop an under-spinning ball is when it starts to fall.

Nah, Opposite. It is the easiest one. Smile



its easier to loop an underspin when it hit its peak. when the ball starts to fall, underspin starts to kicks in and much harder to loop. it will require a player to excert much effort to counter spin it.

just my two cents :)
Depends upon your stroke and your intent and also what you mean by "easier".  If your goal is a fast attack, then you're better offer hitting at the top of the bounce. If your goal is to make more spin with slower pace, then it's better to hit after the top of the bounce.  I would not say either shot is easier or harder, just than they naturally lend themselves to different purposes.

By comparison, it is definitely harder to loop against underspin before the top of the bounce (i.e., early).
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by j0hn j0hn wrote:

Originally posted by aroonkl aroonkl wrote:

Originally posted by atomant atomant wrote:

The worst time to loop an under-spinning ball is when it starts to fall.

Nah, Opposite. It is the easiest one. Smile



its easier to loop an underspin when it hit its peak. when the ball starts to fall, underspin starts to kicks in and much harder to loop. it will require a player to excert much effort to counter spin it.

just my two cents :)
Depends upon your stroke and your intent and also what you mean by "easier".  If your goal is a fast attack, then you're better offer hitting at the top of the bounce. If your goal is to make more spin with slower pace, then it's better to hit after the top of the bounce.  I would not say either shot is easier or harder, just than they naturally lend themselves to different purposes.

By comparison, it is definitely harder to loop against underspin before the top of the bounce (i.e., early).

Not in my experience if the ball has cleared net height. and not in my experience when I am over the table looping.


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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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I posted this article here once before about looping backspin, but I'm still not sure how accurate it is. To be honest, I'm confused about my timing when looping backspin right now.  I guess I just need to learn to loop the ball at all points (off the bounce, top of the bounce, on the fall).
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Originally posted by Ringer84 Ringer84 wrote:

I posted this article here once before about looping backspin, but I'm still not sure how accurate it is. To be honest, I'm confused about my timing when looping backspin right now.  I guess I just need to learn to loop the ball at all points (off the bounce, top of the bounce, on the fall).

Don't waste your time with the theory. When you have a good looping stroke, it all comes automatically with practice.

One of the things I learned from Brett (and I wrote this elsewhere) is that most of our true learning doesn't come from all this theory speak.  It comes from developing good technical foundations and practicing more against a variety of balls/spins to make sure that you are reading the spin before executing the stroke and don't get locked into hitting the ball one way.  Once you have a good looping stroke and you look at the ball trajectory (which you will have been doing from years of playing and which you will be able to do more easily once the looping stroke is unconscious), your practice against various balls in the same session via multiball or playing a combination player with good control will enhance your ability to read spin all by it self.  

Yes, some people will learn things faster because they are better at one thing or another (the most important things are reading spin, adapting to the spin and generating good racket head speed to match the spin).  But if you have to focus on one thing right now, focus on having a good quality forehand loop.  TTEdge has everything you need and you are already an experienced player with good technique so it shouldn't take forever, IMO (no pressure - hahahahaha).

The key is to stop doing what adults do and assume they know what is happening when they learn. Just get a good stroke against topspin, test it against backspin (it will adjust with practice) and practice against ball variation.  You will figure out where to hit the ball and how to hit the ball to get the preferred effect you are looking for, no manual-on-how-to-loop-side-back-cork necessary!


Edited by NextLevel - 05/29/2015 at 10:15am
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by j0hn j0hn wrote:

Originally posted by aroonkl aroonkl wrote:

Originally posted by atomant atomant wrote:

The worst time to loop an under-spinning ball is when it starts to fall.

Nah, Opposite. It is the easiest one. Smile



its easier to loop an underspin when it hit its peak. when the ball starts to fall, underspin starts to kicks in and much harder to loop. it will require a player to excert much effort to counter spin it.

just my two cents :)

Depends upon your stroke and your intent and also what you mean by "easier".  If your goal is a fast attack, then you're better offer hitting at the top of the bounce. If your goal is to make more spin with slower pace, then it's better to hit after the top of the bounce.  I would not say either shot is easier or harder, just than they naturally lend themselves to different purposes.

By comparison, it is definitely harder to loop against underspin before the top of the bounce (i.e., early).


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I have no idea what you guys are talking about. The best timing to loop any shot is before the top of the bounce. Underspin will feel less heavy if you loop before the top of the bounce. Same with topspin. But often when footwork/anticipation isn't good enough, you're forced to loop after the top of the bounce. 
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