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Nexy 
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 Posted: 01/27/2012 at 1:44am |
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Thank you. Actually, I'm not used to with terms in English, so I dont't think I can be a help for your thread. But I think I need to start writing more with better plan. And that would help you make your thoughts clearer. I will try to make some more time to restart basic ideas about blade designing.
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Krantz
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Posted: 01/27/2012 at 6:59am |
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Nexy, I am really interested in an impact that a middle play of a blade makes on its characteristics; manufacturers seem to just put an ayous or kiri there while not giving it much thought, but with middle layer comprising like 80% of blade's weight I think it surely should matter what's in there.. Have you make some deeper studies on this subject? |
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Nexy
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Posted: 01/28/2012 at 2:23am |
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The center wood influence on the whole. I found one wood that's really good, and I used it for hannibal, oscar, lissom, color, spear, spartacus. But I don't want to reveal it. So, please, let me tell you more when it coems due in my mind. With thanks, Oscar
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arg0
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Posted: 01/28/2012 at 3:40am |
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Very interesting post about Ayous, and I understand you don't want to reveal the wood used in the core of most of your recent blades. But maybe you are willing to explain why in Calix you selected Kiri for the core instead of this "secret wood"?
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BH-Man
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Posted: 01/28/2012 at 1:04pm |
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Haha, good arg0, now you are getting everyone interested to hear the story. I don't know myself, but i really played better TT a few months after using slower (slower than TBS) blades for a few months. Those times made me think more about placement and control, plus the blade itself forced me to make more positive strokes, that once I got back to using the TBS, I was killing the ball and controlling the ball when I had to. That was a huge difference. I do not know the core wood myself either, but I don't care so much. i had a great time using the Nexy gear, plus it was excellent help in my training/development. |
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Posted: 01/28/2012 at 4:14pm |
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That Ayous Amazon sound very interesting, looking forward to pictures of the prototype
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Nexy
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Posted: 01/30/2012 at 12:15pm |
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Thank you for the inquiry. I chose Kiri because I needed harder feeling for Calix. Calix is thin, so it does not need that lightness and wooden feeling much for the center wood, rather it needed more or less speed and power to it. |
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melarimsa
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Posted: 02/14/2012 at 5:32pm |
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Any CALIX users here ? Is it good blade ?
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the_theologian
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Posted: 02/14/2012 at 10:49pm |
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... soon to be
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Posted: 02/15/2012 at 3:24am |
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My current main blade. It's fantastic. |
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Peter C
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Melarimsa
The Calix gets my vote as the most versatile composite blade I've played with to date; because it has a wider dynamic speed range, than any other composite blade; I've played with before.The blades I'm referring to are the Timo Boll Spirit, Timo Boll ALC, Michael Maze, 729 V6, Galaxy T2, Galaxy K4, Andro Kinetic Carbo Aramid, Ishlion, Dawei Wavestone, Dawei GTO and Ulmo Rosewood Carbon. It has a lower first gear more akin to a flexible 5 ply wooden blade; which makes it easier to control in the short game and it's just as fast as the Michael Maze; when you make use of the blade's catapult effect; when playing with power and speed. When playing with 2mm Vega Pro or 2mm Vega Europe on the backhand of the Calix; my angled drop shot, wide to the forehand of a right hander; is just as short and accurate, as when I play the same shot, with the OSP Expert or Stiga Offensive Classic WRB. It is expensive; but it's still a blade that's worth checking out. |
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the_theologian
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Posted: 02/15/2012 at 10:39am |
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...oh man, can't wait for mine to arrive!
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melarimsa
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Posted: 02/15/2012 at 11:00am |
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AndySmith
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Posted: 02/15/2012 at 11:04am |
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I haven't used Labyrinthos, but I can speak for the craftsmanship of Nexy's blades. They are high-quality.
Earlier in this thread, Nexy mentioned that he has a new two-speed defensive blade coming soon called Tuvalu...
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Nexy
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Posted: 02/28/2012 at 12:07am |
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Tubalu is becoming a headache for me. If I try to use a new material, it asks me to test the durability. So, testing new material takes much more longer time than I expected. I hope I can finish the test soon... but it seems a kind of endless study. Any how, I will get it done. Thank you for your nice comment. |
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Posted: 02/28/2012 at 3:03am |
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Man, I'm gonna have to pop into Nexy's HQ after I get done with annual stuff here in Daegu. Hope he has a sheet of Aurus on one of his test blades...
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Posted: 02/28/2012 at 10:33am |
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Is it Tuvalu or Tubalu? Because there is a island country named Tuvalu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvalu and I don't think you want the troubles of dealing with the rights to use its name in a commercial product... |
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Posted: 02/29/2012 at 5:11pm |
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The thread on Ayous and its unique characteristics as of an blade´s inner ply reminds me a of the Clipper Wood. The Clipper Wood, out of all my blades, is the one with the best and most precise placement of the ball (remarkable especially in the push, block and counterattack). And, isn´t it, that the Clipper has Limba outer plies and another 5 inner Ayous plies? Indeed! So in this point of view, the thread on Ayous brings another new and extra valuable information on blade´s composition that I can personlly take as an empirically approved fact. Thanks.
Concerning your testing of your new blades in the design process, Mr. Nexy - isn´t there some information on your method, that you can share with us ? For instance, do you use one type of univrsal rubbers when testing your new blade during the design process or do you have a special sets for particular type of blade, like for 5 ply allwood blades, for carbon blades, for 7 ply allwood blades etc?
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debraj
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Posted: 02/29/2012 at 5:33pm |
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szijorz : Did you compare your Clipper with any other 7 ply 7mm thick wood blade, which doesn't have ayous?
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Posted: 02/29/2012 at 5:43pm |
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Debraj, why only 7 ply?
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Posted: 02/29/2012 at 6:12pm |
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clipper is 7 ply right? ...
seven ply, thick wood blades do not flex much... which means: - they are not bouncy at least not in short game, and great to push with - when placing balls with them... since the flex is less, the blade remains flat ...and hence allows for more accurate ball placement. - same is true for blcosk... if the blade doesn't flex, and is not too springy, and is not too fast with composite layers... then they block better. and lower hold time doesn't allow the incoming spin to deflect return path too much. so i don't see much "ayous magic" there !! but its me... and i'm a skeptic  |
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Posted: 02/29/2012 at 9:46pm |
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Of course you can also push and block with a flexible blade on areas of the blade that don't flex much, most of those blades have hard and fast areas near the handle
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It's worth remembering that some players learn to play the game with a stiff blade; which means their timing and technique, is geared towards getting the best out of that type of blade. In my experience; if you give a stiif blade to a player, whose learnt to play the game with a flexible blade; they tend to have a much easier time adapting their game; than if you give a flexible blade to a player, whose learnt to play the game with a stiff blade. That's because playing consistently with a flexible blade requires learning an extra skill set, that isn't required when playing with a stiff blade and a timing adjustment, on some shots too; in order to take advantage of the catapult effect within a flexible blade. |
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When I am thinking of relation between the blade´s stiffness and blade´s shot precisness, I figure out, that you are right, but I feel, there´s few words to be added.
The stability and constistancy of the blade coming from its stiffness may be a crucial reason for the ball´s exact placement in terms of the LENGHT of the shot. It certainly makes good 50 percent of that marvellous feeling of the exact ball placement precisness: to have as many as possible shots landing in the desired distance. But my concern on Ayous, based on the above article brought by Nexy, as I understood it, was more about the DIRECTION of the shots. This was what I understood and understand to be unique feature of Ayous that " Ayous has a focus. It absorbs and repel on the same spot." My understanding is, that Ayous is the right wood for the good directional placement of the ball - e.g. what you aim is what you get.
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yeah.. but try to do that with a thin 5-5.4mm ayous blade... and ayous will not be directional any more.
on contrary play with schlager carbon ...balsa core ... and you will see balls reaching exactly when your want them.. although some of them would land farther due to the higher speed of the blade. " Ayous has a focus. It absorbs and repel on the same spot." ... frankly this is a big joke to me. if material science engineering was about mystic language... then save the world!! " i picked this alloy to design the boeing 777 because at the same time it floats and also brings the plane down, which helps in landing".... repel = elastic deformation ... i.e impact with low energy loss absorb = in-elastic /plastic deformation ... i.e impact converts part of the kinetic energy into sound, heat and breaking of lattice... or creating lattice defects like 'dislocations'. i wish table tennis equipment talks, were about mechanics and material properties and than fantasy literature ... its not developing a perfume... where you can describe the smell by contradicting flowery terms.... and still nobody can prove you wrong. sorry if i sound severely skeptic... but i'm also a material science engineer. Edited by debraj - 03/01/2012 at 5:49pm |
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The only opinion I have after putting lots of blades together made from various woods is that Ayous is the nicest feeling core, Limba is the spinniest second ply and Koto is the best top ply. You don't have to think too hard about what is the best possible complete blade. Ayous as a second ply doesn't feel anywhere near as good as Limba on a second ply imho
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most popular blades have kiri core ......like TBS, Strad.
the so called heavenly feel blades ......Violin(kiri core) , acoustic (tung ), viscaria (balsa).... ...don't have ayous in them. Frankly, in my opinion, feeling depends way more on the blade thickness and core:outer ply ratios .... and to some extent on vague marketing literature...  ...how the wood focuses the ball, then absorbs the ball and then changes its mind, and repels the ball etc.... Edited by debraj - 03/01/2012 at 8:29pm |
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Those heavenly feel blades are called that because they have a "buttery smooth" feel ie none :), that's a character of kiri cored blades and also to a lesser smooth extent basla.
If you are looking for feedback into the handle you really need Ayous, I used to like the smooth feel but never again after getting used to being able to feel the impact of the ball. A limba-limba-kiri blade like the acoustic feels nothing like a limba-limba-ayous blade. Performance is similar except the Ayous blade will be "tighter" and have 1000 times more ball feel
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Boss, if you mean to say ayous-core clipper has better ball feel than Violin or Viscaria,
  , i concede!! You win... !! |
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