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out of curiosity i checked eugene wang's USATT rating and they have him at 2729, above the world's no. 2 wang hao.
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Originally posted by takaaki takaaki wrote:

out of curiosity i checked eugene wang's USATT rating and they have him at 2729, above the world's no. 2 wang hao.

Yeah, and if you looked deeper, it's because in his one US open he played in 2002, when he was19, he went 1-1 and lost to Chu Yan Leung. 
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Wow Wakamiya and Fujii beat Tie Yana and Jiang Huajun...
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Originally posted by takaaki takaaki wrote:

out of curiosity i checked eugene wang's USATT rating and they have him at 2729, above the world's no. 2 wang hao.


USATT ratings system is bunk and seems to only work between about 1900-2500 with some degree of "accuracy". And the most accurate US ratings seem to between 2000-2200. For judging player strength above 2500 or below 1900, the whole system seems wildly inaccurate.

And while I can't be certain about judging levels too far above my own, I am 100% certain that it barely functions at all from 800-1600, (if you look at the number of 200-400 point upsets that regularly occur in that range). I'm sure you try and could argue that the lack of accuracy in the lower ranges is is because of "developing players" and "stylistic upsets", but the truth of the matter is that the system simply does not track playing strength well. Especially if time between tournaments has elapsed.

It's almost as horrible as the one that our friendly neighbors to the North use :)
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Originally posted by dragon kid dragon kid wrote:

Originally posted by cls2222 cls2222 wrote:

Originally posted by ttCrawsaive ttCrawsaive wrote:

Great to see a chinese player from the B team, they are all very entertaining and worth the top...
Like Yingchao, Zhou Bin, Qiu yike, WJJ, Li Ping...


Especially Li Ping Smile He is the only Chinese player that is using "normal" rubbers lol
Where do you see these players???

btw, the Chinese thinks Li Ping is using 'inferior' rubbers.. LOL


why is that? what kind of rubber is he using? :)
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The Chinese team specially trained Li Ping as a 'European' player. He use European rubber and loops the Euro way. He is the 'European' practice partner for the Chinese National Team.
The people back in China have an opinion that European rubbers are inferior compared to Chinese hard and tacky rubbers :))

Another player specifically trained to mimic a rival is Wang Jian Jun, a CPen player turned Jpen to mimic Ryu Seung Min. You can almost see Ryu's twin brother when he plays. He once beat WLQ in a local tournament playing JPen, so he's no average player.
I think He already turn back to CPen now, probably the Chinese aren't feeling threatened by JPen-ers these days...
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Originally posted by dragon kid dragon kid wrote:

The Chinese team specially trained Li Ping as a 'European' player. He use European rubber and loops the Euro way. He is the 'European' practice partner for the Chinese National Team.
The people back in China have an opinion that European rubbers are inferior compared to Chinese hard and tacky rubbers :))

I wonder how good he has to be or who he has to beat in order for them to see his and theirs (Europeans) isnt inferior, along with their equipment, I mean he beat Ma Long, Chen Qi, and Wang Hao last year, but barely gets to compete in anything.

Anyway, I think we had the same discussion like 9 months ago during the Chinese trials about him, his equipment, his role, etc.


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Dodean and Samara are up 3-0 against world champions Guo Yue and Li Xiaoxia... That would be quite an upset.
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Originally posted by vutiendat1337 vutiendat1337 wrote:

Originally posted by dragon kid dragon kid wrote:

Originally posted by cls2222 cls2222 wrote:

Originally posted by ttCrawsaive ttCrawsaive wrote:

Great to see a chinese player from the B team, they are all very entertaining and worth the top...
Like Yingchao, Zhou Bin, Qiu yike, WJJ, Li Ping...


Especially Li Ping Smile He is the only Chinese player that is using "normal" rubbers lol
Where do you see these players???

btw, the Chinese thinks Li Ping is using 'inferior' rubbers.. LOL


why is that? what kind of rubber is he using? :)

European rubbers. Donic to be specific. 
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new video, Timo vs. Primorac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRtCOegKWuM
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Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Originally posted by takaaki takaaki wrote:

out of curiosity i checked eugene wang's USATT rating and they have him at 2729, above the world's no. 2 wang hao.


USATT ratings system is bunk and seems to only work between about 1900-2500 with some degree of "accuracy". And the most accurate US ratings seem to between 2000-2200. For judging player strength above 2500 or below 1900, the whole system seems wildly inaccurate.

And while I can't be certain about judging levels too far above my own, I am 100% certain that it barely functions at all from 800-1600, (if you look at the number of 200-400 point upsets that regularly occur in that range). I'm sure you try and could argue that the lack of accuracy in the lower ranges is is because of "developing players" and "stylistic upsets", but the truth of the matter is that the system simply does not track playing strength well. Especially if time between tournaments has elapsed.

It's almost as horrible as the one that our friendly neighbors to the North use :)


as far as rating the high-ranked foreign players, i agree with what you say, though i don't think it has to do with the system, per se, but with a lack of desire on the part of USATT to put those top foreigners too high above our own.  also, it looks to me like they don't want to rate anybody over 3000.

anyhow, if you look you'll see that the highest USATT rating goes to kong linghui, and then, wang liqin and ma lin and they're rated less than 200 pts. over the top US players.  now, that's just a big joke, cuz there's no way that fan and lupi are that close to them, neither now, nor way back then when kong and co. last played here.

as far as the 800-1600 range, i wouldn't know, cuz i have been that low for nearly a decade now, but as best as i can see, for those low players, since they don't have the fundamentals, matchups are key.  cuz, at that level, you can lose to somebody 200 pts. below you, but beat somebody 200 pts. above just cuz you have one shot or one serve that they can't handle. 

or just because you "cho" louder than they do in between points--yep, it's that easy...


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Don't want to spoil but look to results of last 16 and you will be shocked Approve

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Ryu 4-3 Ma Lin. it was 1-3.
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Timo Boll - Ma Lin for sure

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I would never expect that result in round 16...
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I'am eager to see that match!
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This is actually a great opportunity for Zhang Jike.However, if he cannot beat Jun and Boll, this will become his nightmare in the bid for olympics.
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I would like to see Timo vs Ma Lin instead, but not this time.
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RYU beats Ma Lin 4:3, yeah!
 
Hope we would see that match at all!
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I am in for a WH-RSM final.. it would be like Olympic 2004 all over again... Big smile
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Originally posted by dragon kid dragon kid wrote:

I am in for a WH-RSM final.. it would be like Olympic 2004 all over again... Big smile

What a good idea for WH, to revenge?
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Love that all quarterfinals are going to be played on table 1 :) 
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it would be nice to see matches

Eloi vs. Chuang

Matsudaira vs. Ma

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I would never expect that result in round 16...
Hey ttC, will you upload the quarter finals?
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Originally posted by ttCrawsaive ttCrawsaive wrote:

Originally posted by SoWhySoSerious SoWhySoSerious wrote:

I would never expect that result in round 16...
Hey ttC, will you upload the quarter finals?


Rather not, but semis and finals for sure.
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Originally posted by dragon kid dragon kid wrote:

I am in for a WH-RSM final.. it would be like Olympic 2004 all over again... Big smile

What a good idea for WH, to revenge?
To bury the ghost from the past.. though not the biggest of tournament, but it will be instereting..
I highly doubt RSM will get past Boll, and if he did, I think he'll be in trouble playing a player with a strong BH, ZJK..
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