Boosters/Tuners: Your Results!

spin_whisperer wrote: Oh ok..that makes sense. I boosted a few lol!. H3 neo, Bluefire M1 and M2, T64, Red Diamond, Venus 2, Hammond Pro Beta, I think that's it. I just wanted to experiment for fun and make some of the rubbers bigger because a few shrunk during use.

AMonteiro wrote: Falco on T05, just one layer when new or used.

Works well too. 2 layers with a good dome

AndySmith wrote: Hey all. Got myself some cheapy sheets of commercial H3Neo, so I thought I'd experiment a little. I have one 2.15mm 40deg, and one 2.0mm 39deg. Both had 2 coats of Falco Long - 1st coat, wait 24 hours, 2nd coat. Today is day 3. The dome on the 40deg one is massive. The sponge doesn't seem to have softened too much, but it is noticeable. The dome on the 39deg one is limp and flaccid in comparison. The sponge has become extremely soft. It's early days, but the 2.0mm 39deg sheet isn't looking too good...

I have also tuned a H3 Neo 39 deg commercial 2.15mm with Falco but I have not got round to testing it extensively yet. I am looking forward to your findings.

On another note but loosely related to tuning or the lack of it. My intention is not to start a flamewar only to share my experiences...

So I managed to have a hit with a pro T05 2.1 and BF M2 max this weekend. Sadly / shockingly, although their feel is similar, the brand new BF was nowhere near the speed of the T05. On fast loops, the T05 produced a like 30-40% faster ball, carrying extremely good spin. I did not have to hold myself back with the strokes I used. The curve was awesome. It made all rubbers I have previously tried look like a toy - what a shame on other manufacturers that they have not managed to come up with a rubber that can achieve this. And according to the bloke who owns that T05 it was not tuned.

My regular practice partner looped at me with it and his loops were noticeably faster and more dangerous although he does not have a really hefty FH loop stroke. He uses BF JP01 on both sides.

After this experience I no longer see a point in buying ESN rubbers as long as they do not raise their standard. Currently they still have some catching up to do.

Back OT:

Here are the rubbers after 24 hours:



And here after 48 hours:



The dome on the 39deg one looks better in the second image, but it's actually pretty lame and floppy in real life. The 40deg one is firm, and could do some real damage if you smacked a vicar in the face with it, Monty Python style.

how many days before that crazy dome disappears?

Sure, the main thing I wanted to say that  is that having seen what rubber quality can be produced if they really want, I am starting to think that it is futile to spend money on products that - maybe intentionally - are not of the level that they could produce if they wanted to.

That is the end of the off topic remarks from me and it is therefore that it is good fun to find a cheap tuned alternative.

H3Neo 39: I applied two thin coats and it reacted quickly to the tuner. The dome came down after about 10 days. It needed more time to become completely flat. I will try it out this week.

Also, I have got hold of a Three Sword Leap professional and have put one layer of Falco on it. It soaked it in immediately and the dome is strong and comes down extremely slow. I will put it on the same blade with the H3 Neo. Its sponge is interesting, it looks like a transition between ESN small porous sponges and Chinese traditional blue.

I have found that the the degree of the curl is not proportionate to the effect it has. In fact, my experience shows that one layer is enough.

The H3 Neo I am  going to test is totally flat now and I hope the Three Sword will be too by Friday.

for chinese rubbers, you ought to get a dome like this if you can. it doesn't matter much for h3 commercial. effect is small anyway. you can tell by it coming down within 24 hrs. curl is proportionate to effect in general though. if ur lucky and get a good sheet or get a provincial, it won't come down until ~3 days later. neo national took over a week to uncurl to where it could be glued:

Both rubbers have calmed down quite a lot today.



The 39deg one is still a lot softer than the 40deg one, and it also has some lumpy areas on the sponge. I'll probably order 40deg only in the future.

Will be putting them on blades soon - any recommendations from this list?

Rossi Emotion
Virtuoso Carbon
Avenger Carbon
Nexy Peterpan

I went for the Rossi Emotion in the end. I put the 39deg on there - a clubmate will be trying the 40deg one on a Rapscallion.

Now it's on the blade, things seem pretty great. It doesn't feel too soft, and there's an obvious bit of springiness when bouncing the ball. It's still slow on low-impact bounces though, which you would expect with the tackiness. Hopefully the two thin layers were just enough...

Shame I have to wait until Monday to try it out. I do have a league match tomorrow night, but I'd have to be crazy to use the H3 without any table time. Wouldn't I????

Ah, the voice of reason. If the fixture ends up being a total loss I might try it out for one set. It's my last league match for quite a while, so it only seems fair to make some effort to do something mental.

So, not being of sound body OR mind, I ended up using the H3 in the match last night. I should really speak to a councillor or something.

I used my regular setup against their number 1, who is better than me and regularly beats me. Lost. No great shakes. So, the tie was gone and I switched to the H3 setup. And I beat their other two players, who are a similar standard to me. It's usually 50/50, but I beat both comfortably. Very happy with that.

I wasn't particularly happy with the H3 feel on the Rossi Emotion. It was awesome over the table, and I won a lot of points with slow, heavy loop shots. Heavier shots were a bit wild and flat. Obviously some adjustment would be needed, but I'm probably better using a harder feel blade. Not hard, just harder. So it's Virtuoso Carbon or Peterpan next...

t64t64t64 wrote: Hinoki + h3 its just wrong :) i know what you mean :) It will be good on koto or hardened limba

Hmmm. I wish I hadn't sold my Hypertouch blades. TG3N was great on those.

kurokami wrote: it's not placebo effect. i've played with provincial and national hurricane 37-40 deg, then tried commercial briefly while waiting for more pieces. very big difference.