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fmarek
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In general I agree with this. When choosing to upgrade my blade I almost went for B2. The reason is that I was coming from 5ply limba, I just needed a bit more devil to add to it. So ended up choosing between B2 and HL5. Oh boy, glad I went ahead and got myself HL5. What a great piece of equipment it is!!! I mentioned elsewhere, it helped me to fix number of problems. BH loops, FH loops, FH top spin kills, and surprise surprise - BH blocks. I have the most consistent BH block in the the club. It was not something I was specially training for. People would come to warmup with me because I somehow magically able to block their top spins with precise placement, no effort from my side. The only explanations to this is gear as I did not train blocks with my coach at all. HL5 impressed and surprised me. Ayous x 3, alc and limba. This blade does not have any special feeling. Koto is crisp and precise; hinoki is like warm butter LOL, walnut has pleasant tok tok vibration. Even hardened limba on stigas is crisp. HL5 is not here and not there, somewhat muted feeling, softish. It took me some time to develop a feeling to tell where ball is touching a surface. Nothing special on the feeling side. No distractions. It just made for heavy duty playing rather than focusing on the feel and etc. One thing to notice though - these days I normally have setup weighting around 192g, whereas blade is 91g. The other day I changed FH rubber and ended up with 188g, maybe I used less glue or rubber was not consistent. So when setup is under 190g it feels like blade bends less and catapults less. 3g should not be such a big deal but it is.
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729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold.
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fmarek
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The classic HL5 (not the recent with thickened core) is a slow blade. at least my instance from TT11. I cannot call it fast. It is not bouncy. It is made for control and topspin attacks. As someone mentioned here, due to the head size and possible thanks to the shape of the wings it flexes making it to explode a big time on powerful shots. Mine is 91g, so it has enough meat in it to be considered fast, but the truth is, blade is not fast. Viscaria in 87g or Stiga 12k is faster.
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729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold.
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How is fang bo handle compared to PG5X? Which one is smaller?
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kurokami
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^ agree. it's more personal style and technique. e.g. a lot of ppl like rakza 7 but i tried it for 10 min and hated it. too fast, not enough for spin vs speed, somewhat too hard. meanwhile the next guy over is raving how rakza 7 is not too fast, and easier for him to spin with than tenergy.
for me, soft works on anything. it's just that you lose some power with flatter shots like flips and counters. tenergy works on everything!!
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Your personal preferences notwithstanding, there are many players who have used stiff hard blades with soft rubbers for their style. If anyone wants to get into the details or concepts behind rubber and blade matching at a technical level, they are here: https://thoughtsontabletennis.wordpress.com/2015/04/25/introduction-to-table-tennis-blade-design/ But the general rules he provides are more thinking about high level offensive looping/attack game, and do not account for idiosyncratic styles or feelings for the ball. I know blockers who put soft rubbers on extremely fast blades. It's their thing.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Well, almost, IMHO. Soft rubbers don't go well with stiff, hard blades as the rubbers would bottom out quicker. If you put the same rubber on a softer blade, you could finish more strokes without the bottoming out. Earlier on in this thread, someone compared the hardness of VIscaria & HL5. To me, HL5 is softer on very soft strokes and harder on the larger strokes (which also makes sense given that the carbon layer is inner on the HL5) than the Viscaria. Regarding HL5's compatibility, as HL5 is both solid and flexy, I think it could work with a wide variety of rubbers. I've tried it with Vega Pro, H3 Neo (39 deg, unboosted), MX-P on FH. I've tried it with Acuda Blue P2, Omega V Europe, EL-S, T05 and Boosted Baracuda on BH. They all worked well. MX-P is a bit bouncy though.
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Any good rubber goes with any good blade. Personal preferences not withstanding. |
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MLfan
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of course hurricane and tenergy lol
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What rubbers are good for HL5?
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At 60-65 usd the bo2 looks really good.
If i didnt have 2 zxis and reordered my old friend 729 bomb (best blade under 30 usd) . I would be real interested in it. Maybe in a month once more reviews are up, i might just end up buying it. Shout outs to dhs for releasing a blade at this price range with construction that of or at least similar to hl5. Edited by asifgunz - 08/25/2016 at 9:04pm |
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I tried the sanwei f3 bulldozer recently, it's got the same construction as the hl5 I guess! Uses some sort of dark I limba as the outer. I've only tried the hl5 for a few mins, but I can write down a comparison from what I remember.
F3B is a bit faster with a slight lower throw than the hl5. The f3B felt a bit less head heavy compared to the hl5 even though my friend had a 94g blade with a 45 and 48 deg tensor (nanoflex). Build quality Altually was on par, the f3B has a really really smooth handle with presanded wings and good lens quality too! Definitely not what I'd expect for the price (around 50euro). F3 bascially feels a bit more powerful for loop drives whereas the hl5 felt a bit better for Powerloops. The f3B had a bit more vibration, not the annoying kinda though. The arylate carbon muted feel was a bit more pronounced on the hl5. |
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Would there be any alternative from the cheaper brands like Yinhe, KLT, 729 that can experience close to identical play of the HL5 or even HL3? Could be a good suggestion for a friend who doesn't want to spend so much money....
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thanks, B2 would have same or better loops than what well known blades (to gauge the level)?
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I've played with both the HL5 and B2. HL5 is flexier and has more dwell time. B2 is harder and stiffer and is better for blocks. For a looper the HL5 would be better. The B2 would be better for those who like to block with their backhand or is an all-around player and loops with their Bhand less. Well still boils down to personal preference. Speed for both blades is about the same IMHO.
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anyone played with B2 and opinion?
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lucifer
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I still think carbonado is closer to hl5 than maze.
cause maze has kiri center which is another world. |
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probably carbonado is pretty similar too.
just a touch harder and faster. |
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TurboZ
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HL5 and B2 are meant to look the same with same material.
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vis is soft. if it feels stiff, you probably have a light one. that's the only explanation i can think of. unless you're used to playing maze, arylate wood, or some soft wood like OC. knocking on it may feel hard but when u spin or block with it, it's very soft for an A/C hence soft feel label.
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DHS made B2 harder than HL5. Just like W968 is harder than W997 but they all share the same structure. After all ML used W997 and later W968 while FB used W968 and B2 lately. The harder B2 does made perfect sense for FB. But then I bet what FB is using is better than commercial B2 anyway.
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kurokami
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wat...looking to trade in my vis lol
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Roger Stillabower
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I still think the FB ALC blade has a Koto outer ply just like his 7 ply all wood. Why would he have a blade with his name on it made by DHS same as the HL-5 ? That don't really make any sense.
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In Prott, they only say the all wood B1 with Koto top ply. There is no mention of Koto in the description of B2. The picture indicating the Koto top ply belongs to B1, not B2 (ALC). Prott has put the wrong picture there.
All wood B1 with koto (above). B2 ALC with different wood (below) |
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Looks the same to me.
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I can't tell by looking at the pictures, sorry.
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TurboZ
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The 7 ply all wood Hurricane B1 has Koto top. B2 does have the same look as HL5.
Below are HL5 (left) and B2 ALC (right). Edited by TurboZ - 08/23/2016 at 11:08pm |
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Hurricane Bo ALC (B2) has the same head size as new HL5 of 150 x 156mm. Suppose the top ply is also limba, the same as HL5 but harder according to DHS. Both new HL5 and HB1 and HB2 are on sale at TT11 now.
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