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You do not have to be 2200ish at all....
I'm not even 1600 fully yet and can destroy opponents from the spin alone. I have 3 setups
Hurricane long 5 new verison
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Mxs is not hard to use. I'm only 23 years old. Anyone young enough with power can use it or anyone with good technique

If not mxp is good too if you're a brush Looper or straight power hitter

Mxs is very easy to use once You practice with it for a few days
All my club members are using mxs all have a rating of 1000-2200.
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Originally posted by HarmonicTT HarmonicTT wrote:

You do not have to be 2200ish at all....
I'm not even 1600 fully yet and can destroy opponents from the spin alone. I have 3 setups
Hurricane long 5 new verison
Fh sanwei target national
Bh tenergy 05

Garaydia alc 89 grams
Fh mxs
Bh tenergy 05

Timo boll alc
Fh mxs
Bh rasant grip


Mxs is not hard to use. I'm only 23 years old. Anyone young enough with power can use it or anyone with good technique

If not mxp is good too if you're a brush Looper or straight power hitter

Mxs is very easy to use once You practice with it for a few days
All my club members are using mxs all have a rating of 1000-2200.

I have weak wrists and arms :(
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Originally posted by rocketman222 rocketman222 wrote:

I have tried using mx-s, and 100% agree with both of you guys, to effectively use this rubber you need to be strong and be atleast 2200 ish


I don't agree.   It's all about an approach to winning points. If you play with tactical spin then the rubber makes sense. If your game is about power then the rubber does not make as much sense. People who complain about MXzzS tend to be speed players.
Enjoying this rubber is about what your approach to the game is not about your rating. If you are an 1800 player who likes to rally consistently with spin and spin variation, you will like this rubber as much as anything else. I don't know any rubber as all round with the same amount of spin, especially when you look at how safe it is on flat hits and blocks.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by rocketman222 rocketman222 wrote:

I have tried using mx-s, and 100% agree with both of you guys, to effectively use this rubber you need to be strong and be atleast 2200 ish


I don't agree.   It's all about an approach to winning points. If you play with tactical spin then the rubber makes sense. If your game is about power then the rubber does not make as much sense. People who complain about MXzzS tend to be speed players.
Enjoying this rubber is about what your approach to the game is not about your rating. If you are an 1800 player who likes to rally consistently with spin and spin variation, you will like this rubber as much as anything else. I don't know any rubber as all round with the same amount of spin, especially when you look at how safe it is on flat hits and blocks.

I largely agree with this.  I have been using MX-S on one or both sides of my paddle fairly continuously since it came out and it has been exceedingly consistent and stable for my power looping game.  It is as slow as I need it to be over the table and as fast as I need it to be off the table when I go for big loops.  Since it does not top out easily, I can go as hard as I want and it remains stable.  Equally importantly, its throw angle doe snot change much on bigger shots.  Many sheets I have tried recently, become higher throw when you go for a hard loop.  MX-S really doesn't.

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Mxs is much more spinnier and doesn't top out like others have said. It is good for smashing as I do half and half of that along with loops loaded with spin. Mxs can play slow but fast if you swing into the ball. It's really not that hard to use. I just detest tenergy for inconsistent rebound although minimal now it wasn't before. But regardless it's a great rubber so is fxp
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anyone out there that can compare the MX-S to the Aurus? 
I'm looking for a rubber of similar hardness but with a slightly higher throw for getting more consistence in my BH topspin vs. underspin. 
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mx-s is low throw, aurus is very high throw. completely different in that.

what you need is simply mx-p. :)
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Originally posted by seguso seguso wrote:

mx-s is low throw

I don't doubt that this is your experience of MX-S.  But since you are offering this as advice: 

There are extensive discussions of MX-S' throw in this thread.  You aren't the only one who considers it low throw.  But this is far from unanimous.  Although I'm not in a position to adjudicate, your 4 words assessment is almost certainly not the end of the story.


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I'm playing with mxs and t05 and i can say that mxs has higher throw than t05 as well than aurus and aurus prime.

The Aurus rubbers has very low throw angle.

I consider the mxs the best fh esn rubber but like all esn rubbers after 2 months you need to replace.
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If ppl judge throw using a drive kinda loop where they hit through the sponge, then yeah, you can consider mx-s low throw. But if you have a topsheet dominant loop, that is, even when using the sponge you expand it tangentially instead of compressing it inwards, then mx-s feels higher throw. Don't know how to explain this better, but in sure someone must've written down a better explanation somewhere.
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If anyone wants to try it out I have a like new sheet for 20 shipped red max
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I like MX-S a lot more than I thought I would having got more used to it, been playing it on my DD Terminator, the speed of the blade is good for the rubber but the hardness of the Koto/ZLC outer layers is perhaps too much in combination with the hard sponge of MX-S. I am going to try it on my Spin Offensive 3 today as maybe the softer spruce on the SO3 plus its bouncy nature from the thick Kiri core will harmonise better with MX-S. 

One thing is for sure, even having used MX-P and T05 for years, the spin on MX-S when you catch it right on a medium speed brush loop is the highest from any rubber I have ever used, other than maybe Hurricane 3 when new. I have also not seen so many of my pushes dumped in the net as you can add spin to the push with your wrist without fear of engaging the sponge and sending it long. For all out attackers wanting to loop every ball MX-P and T05 are surely better, but if you play a more strategic game and want something reliable to get over the line when you are 10-10 in the fifth, MX-S is the one. 

Experience playing with MX-S Black Max on Double Day Terminator ZLC side:

I have found with MX-S that I can win with consistency rather than power. At first, I tried to play with it like I would all the other German tensors and power loop anything off the table, result was 50% on the table without sufficient speed (I don't use straight arm and not enough use of body), 50% straight into the net. This is the experience I read from most posters testing MX-S and like them I thought this isn't for me. 

This week I used it in my league matches, after losing a game against an average opponent my team mate (who is 19 and a very high level player having been coached at National level as a Junior) said to me to stop trying to overpower my opponent with loops and smashes and simply get the ball on table, but vary the spin and placement to keep him moving and having to play different shots to counter the spin. So I stopped trying to power loop and concentrated on well placed blocks low over net, heavy pushes to his backhand, chops with OX LP from distance, rolls with OX LP close to the table, then the odd slower spinny brush loop when I got the perfect ball to execute it (unreturnable spin with MX-S IMHO).

This strategy actually used far less effort on my part than trying to smack him off the table, as I usually would with MX-P, and I think without realising it I probably lost as many points as I gained trying to do that with MX-P because of hitting the odd one long off the table, blocking long off their heavy spin loops, putting too much wrist into a push and sending it long etc. I thought I loved the feeling of smacking a loop or a smash past someone so much that I wouldn't give it up just because a rubber won't support those shots at sufficient speed or consistency to have a high success rate (MX-S will but not without proper use of your body or a strong arm - neither of which I manage to achieve in a fast rally), however winning games can actually be just as addictive. 

Another shot I can play with MX-S that I couldn't with the standard bouncy tensors is a sidespin loop on a mid table ball into the corners just behind the net on the opponent's side. I have found this is a better approach to balls I used to come in and try and smash or flick, you can keep it short on their side and so wide they either can't get to it or if they fish it back you can hit it to the other side of the table for a winner while they are out of position. 

I found that the more I brought the ball back on table time after time, the more frustrated the opponent got and in the end they would overstretch on a shot trying to hit it harder/spinnier to get it past me and hit it long or in the net. The other thing to consider is that at the level I am playing at if I play a fast game on the FH with hard looping, it plays into the opponent's hands as that is how everyone else in the league plays. They are used to dealing with spin and speed and can simply counter into corners when I am out of position and trying to recover from hitting a hard loop. This slower more considered strategy allows me to be in the ready position at all times so with my slower footwork I can still get to the ball no matter where they put it. 

Clearly I have a particular style, with OX LP backhand I can play disturbing off serves and pushes and modern defence from distance, so the characteristics of MX-S may not suit everyone. But if you are willing to dial down the shot power and play more strategically with variation in shot selection, spin and placement, I can't think of a better rubber to support that game. I absolutely agree with NextLevel (who has used it more than most so the most weight must go to his opinions on MX-S) that if you stick at it and practice long enough with MX-S, you can play with it like a spin enhanced version of Karis. Just get everything back on the table and when the opportunity presents itself and you are in perfect position to execute a spinny loop or drive with full use of your body, hit a winner. As I said earlier above, if you catch that sucker right, the spin is insane. 

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Great post. Whether you stick with the rubber long term or not you clearly get what the rubber is built to do. If you are trying to power loop the ball past people using European strokes there are far better rubbers. But if you want to serve heavy, push heavy, flat hit or block safely and sometimes play with heavy SPIN, I can't think of an Euro rubber that supports that variation other than Omega V Asia.
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I'm amazed by the feel of MX-S in 1.9mm. (Thanks for the pointer, Nextlevel.  I'm used to max sponge on other rubbers.)  I get clear feedback on even the thinnest, most gentle contact.
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What's the difference in feel of the MX-S in 2.1 and in 1.9mm??
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My opinion of MX-S was it's super easy to counter and block/punch but super hard to open up with a modern looping game, good rubber with a lot of spin but low throw and not a lot of all out attackers would find it versatile enough on the fh
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Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

My opinion of MX-S was it's super easy to counter and block/punch but super hard to open up with a modern looping game, good rubber with a lot of spin but low throw and not a lot of all out attackers would find it versatile enough on the fh

Now that depends on which blade you pair it with, found it tough to open up when paired with stiff, low throw blade which requires you to brush the ball up. Most mid-flexy blades like bty alc blades or flexy 5 plies like tibhar stratus pw, bty korbel etc go really well with mx-s, basically you need to go through the ball while playing a topspin stroke with this rubber and hence pairing it with a flex blade kinda makes you swing forward. Many top players that have clean strokes love the mx-s since it is really linear and rewards good timing.
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Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

My opinion of MX-S was it's super easy to counter and block/punch but super hard to open up with a modern looping game, good rubber with a lot of spin but low throw and not a lot of all out attackers would find it versatile enough on the fh

If you say so.  The strength of the rubber is opening up, the throw is about how you approach the ball and it seems you think you are supposed to loop a certain way to get a certain throw.  I don't know anything that can create as much versatility in the arcs, you pretty much determine the trajectory you want.  Of Course If You Want To Hit The Ball The Way You Hit Tenergy TheN You May Not Like It.

It's not a rocket launcher but neither is Hurricane 3, it always comes back to what you are trying to do and how you win points. 
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