Play of Genius. Blocking skills.

wturber wrote: vvk1 wrote: Greg Letts just did an interview with andras: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhO4K_yFhh8 Now that's funny.  (Unfair, of course, but still funny.)

Fair?  There's no fair in table tennis!

Forrest Gump (who defeated the entire Chinese National Team in 1971 using an elcheapo hardbat covered with orange rubber)

BUT I LIKE PUTTING HEAVY TOPSPIN ON THE BALL!





Hahahahaah, I lost it at that spot.  Greg Letts is the man.



Edited by Ringer84 - 08/09/2015 at 5:43pm

vvk1 wrote: Greg Letts just did an interview with andras: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhO4K_yFhh8

LUCKYLOOP wrote: Does anyone know how much sponge he is using with that LP 755 ?

Victor_the_cleaner wrote: wturber, this is not a law, as the governments have monopolized that area. ITTF creates arbitrary, I would say, rules for the game of table tennis. This is not a law and nobody will go to jail or get fined for treating rubber with stuff. People have developed a fetish to those rules and call them law. Here is a new law, I am writing it right now:

one more law: I forbid anybody to reply to my last post. It was just a note, and I don't care what you think anyway, and don't want to throw off the thread.

wturber wrote: andras wrote: if anyone is interested to join or adhere to their society campaign can send an email to : [email protected] and will receive material and information about it. If the long pips player altered his rubber, maybe it is because he's tired of playing against all the boosted rubbers.

Me cheater because people cheater very impressive !!!!!
Table tennis is very good sport

If you read we wont stop ALL cheaters NOT only the long pimple player.
If people cheaters need stop the cheaters not  compensate for cheating better

andras wrote: Without that rubber he does not win a game against players much weaker than those seen in the video exactly as the Dott. neubauer  would not win any title veterans. IMHO

Edited by wturber - 08/05/2015 at 7:27pm

This is becoming too big of a discussion and way out of the original thread.....Nonsenses coming out of enviousness

Edited by Kolev - 08/05/2015 at 5:53pm

(Tassie52)  This is the disingenuous intro. to what you're really trying to say.  Of course skills are equipment specific.  Aussie Rules players can't kick a soccer ball to save their lives any more than Ronaldo can boot a Sherrin. Novak Djokovic would never win another pro tennis event if he was forced to use Roy Emerson's racquet. Let's see if Tiger Woods can drive 300 metres using a cricket bat.

Apples and oranges, Tassie52.  True but irrelevant, Tassie52.  You know as well as I that I was talking specifically about table tennis players using today's table tennis equipment.  Table tennis players need not be able to kick a soccer ball, boot a Sherrin, use Roy Emerson's racquet, or hit a golf ball 300 meters using a cricket bat.  Disingenuous, Tassie52, as is your claim to divine what I am really trying to say.

(Tassie52)  And this is what you really want to say, isn't it, Berndt?  You cannot reconcile yourself to the fact that we're using 21st century technology when you believe we should still be living in the 1950s.  The "overly influential extent" you so lament is, of course, another person's bread and butter.  It's all about preferences.  There is no Commandment that says, "Thou shalt all use hardbat".

I stopped living in the 1950s as of January 1st, 1960.  And it's not all about bread and butter or preferences.  It's about whether altering table tennis rubbers is ethical and what if anything can or should be done about that. 

No, there is no Commandment that says, "Thou shalt all use hardbat."  If you can think of another way to make table tennis fairer and more honest please do so.  So far you have, despite decrying cheating, yet to propose an alternative solution.


Edited by berndt_mann - 08/05/2015 at 4:36pm

This guys is a very different player than Pushblocker, and much more skilled. I have very little doubt he would have won with any rubber. His belly was a big handicap, but I can see he has great touch and his FH is just nasty. Pushblocker has no FH at all and relies totally on confusion and misjudgement of the spin. Very different that this dude. This dude's got great touch man, short stop, long in the corner, knuckle ball, and what about the serve? That serve was nasty for a non pro. Pushblocker's serve is like nothing. This guys is really good, and this argument about the rubber really pulled the thread in the wrong direction. It really doesn't matter if he treated the rubber at all, as it doesn't matter if you comply with an arbitrary idiotic decision by a corrupt bureaucracy. There is absolutely nothing immoral in that, and certainly nothing illegal, as there is no international or domestic law that refers to properties of TT rubber. Thats just the truth, and mind you I hate choppers, and I think 'boosting' is a fancy label that people use for the otherwise stupid action of reducing the density of a rubber. 

smackman wrote: Andras you could start your own post so more people could see what you are trying to do and berndt I skim you unless the post is about hardbat

(Tassie52)  ....Which inevitably means that those skills are equipment specific; e.g. if I learn to chop with short pimples then what I learn will be different from what I would have acquired playing with antispin or LP or hardbat or inverted.  Those learned skills are only transferable to a limited degree - and watching Waldner playing hardbat is clear evidence of that...

Which inevitably leads in my mind to ask why these skills should be equipment specific, or why any skill employed in any racquet sport should be dependent to any overly influential extent on the multiplicity of striking equipment available, doctored or not, to strike a ball or shuttlecock? 

You are correct, however, that some table tennis skills are, or at least seem to be, "equipment specific."  I have watched both Waldner and Joo Se Hyuk playing hardbat, and can attest that their learned skills with their sponge rubber rackets are hardly completely transferable when competing or playing for funsies against players whose learned skills have made the more successful transition from sponge play to hard rubber play.

(Tassie52)  But the bottom line is that players will cheat because they are convinced that they are inadequate without "an edge".

My.  A Perry Mason moment.  As convincing an argument for cheating as I have ever read.  The entire Chinese National Team inadequate without "an edge"?  Fang Bo a mere mortal without whatever booster he uses or comes built into whatever rubber he uses?  You are surely aware that the I do it because everybody else is doing it argument is not ethically sustainable.  It would be as ethically unusual to maintain that because you are a thief (I do not mean you specifically), and all of your cohorts are thieves, that thievery gives you a moral edge over working honestly for a living even if you do get caught.


Edited by berndt_mann - 08/05/2015 at 6:33am

Andras you could start your own post so more people could see what you are trying to do

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/intrinsic

1. belonging naturally; essential

I believe that it is possible to argue that the skills and techniques essential to successful play at the sport of table tennis, however one may choose to define or quantify that measure of success, may be inculcated in players through extensive practice and achieved without recourse to table tennis rubbers with exceptionally spinny or obstructive properties that in addition cannot be doctored or tampered with without rendering such rubber useless for successful competitive play. IF the only currently permissable rubber meeting these criteria proves to be that rubber which used to be known before the advent of long pimpled rubbers as short pimpled rubber without sponge, or "ordinary pimpled rubber", so be it.  Perhaps, Tassie52, you being an extremely clever fellow, can think of or come up with a viable alternative.

And of course one has to learn how to play table tennis skillfully with any type of rubber doctored or undoctored, including hard rubber (not advisable to doctor).  I'm not denying that.  But if you can think of a way to tamper with hard rubber in a manner so as to give it the same playing properties as Tenergy 80FX National Team (don't care which nation) or Hurricane 3 Neo National Team blue sponge or all of the TSP Curl long pipped rubbers, just drop me an e-mail through this forum.

Cheers,



Edited by berndt_mann - 08/05/2015 at 2:21am