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JKC
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Posted: 09/01/2016 at 6:57pm |
Not drills just points from 4 games.
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roundrobin
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Agreed. Looks like drills to me.
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Since table tennis is often compared to chess...what's the fun of watching two chess players playing each other all the time? There's ZERO strategy in play.
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JKC
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Yep. It's just that I'm back at work on Monday, so I need to get back in the habit of getting the better of cocky kids.
Edited by JKC - 09/01/2016 at 10:04am |
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Tt Gold
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You always have to have the last word I get it.im out
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JKC
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Quite happy to let it die, just didn't want the last post on the topic to be wrong at any stage.
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Tt Gold
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suds79
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Okay I think it's about time to let this thread die now. It was entertaining for a while but now it's just kinda getting boring going round and round.
Both people are firmly dug in making the same points. TT Gold - "You're fat and should have ran around that ball to play the forehand." JKC - "Prove to me you're at least somewhat qualified to be giving pointers and not just an arm-chair QB." That's about the gist of it. Interesting for a while. Now just zzzzzzzz.
Edited by suds79 - 09/01/2016 at 9:26am |
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Tt Gold
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Oh come on my suggestion was definitely possible.But you'll see what I mean when the kid plays against those players😉
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JKC
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I'm saying that you are over-simplifying the situation and making it sound like it is an easy skill to do against the quality of the ball received. When someone spends their time watching pro vids rather than actually playing the game then they become unrealistic about what to expect when watching vids of real players.
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Tt Gold
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So you're saying that a young physically fit player wouldn't be able to play that ball with his forehand?Well I guess you're holding on to the past too much.
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JKC
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Had your point been realistic (or valid) then we would not be having this discussion. In a court of law, an expert witness would be expected to have some expertise on a subject. If this expert turns out not to know what he is talking about then he is cross examined to determine this. Sadly you failed at this cross examination stage.
People are quite welcome to give whatever feedback they like. Where that feedback is flawed for whatever reason then I am fully entitled to challenge it. As I said yesterday, discussion provides views and the more views then the bigger my bank transfer from adsense at the end of the month, so by all means feel free to reply. Edited by JKC - 09/01/2016 at 8:10am |
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Tt Gold
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I guess you are only allowed to give positive feedback to people uploading there videos here.But I noticed that the better the level of play is the less people can take advice at least with people like you.Dont need to reply.Have a nice one.
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Tt Gold
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But my point is very realistic, which implies that my level of knowledge in table tennis is good.I don't get what your on about.You could still video tape his matches even if your coaching or watching him.Also helps to analyze his strength and weaknesses better.
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JKC
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I thought we had done with this yesterday until you started it all off again.
People giving tips (or being critical in your case) don't need to be better than the person they give tips to, merely at a level to understand what they are looking at. I am not convinced from what you have said on this topic or on others that I have read you are able to interpret the complexity of what you are seeing. I am of course quite happy to look at any evidence you can show to show that you are qualified to do so. As all our other vids have been, this is just a few of the longer points (and more interesting happenings imo) condensed from 4 games when we were mucking about at the club. It is not a rigorous examination of what he can and cannot do, just what happened in our games. I don't video his games for analysis as I am there and watch. There is plenty to work on from what I see without getting into the minutiae provided by video evidence. Edited by JKC - 09/01/2016 at 7:34am |
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Tt Gold
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Your post is ridiculous,seriously.your comparison to a pilot Ist stupid because that is not even close to the same thing.Your logic is implying that the guy that gives the tips has to be better than you.Well I guess rosskopf is also useless, because Timo is way better.See.And then you go on about how you can take criticism,yet you are blocking everything that has been said.If the suggestion was a good one and if it was well explained, then why don't accept it or at least argue why that's not possible.Insteat you come up with your logic that you need to know if the person is better than you.My suggestion wasn't unrealistic.I didn't say make 4 steps and play with angle into his forehand or counter off the bounce down the line.Those would be unrealistic thinks that can be ignored,but my suggestion was a very realistic one.Also it was just to show you what people would do if the kid ever played against aggressive physically fast fit young players.But your just going to make up some bs again.
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JKC
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@kenny - he is just growing up and getting stronger. No specific physical training other than his other sporting activities.
@JacekGM - When you go on your next flight, would like your pilot to have gone through many hundreds of hours of training or would you be happy with someone who has sat in the airport and watched a few planes fly in and out and maybe been along to the local air show? @benfb - Personally, I have absolutely no hunger at all. I don't even enjoy playing the game and probably didn't for the last 5 years of playing competitively. I have no problem at all being critiqued, but the person giving that critique must be able to understand what they are seeing otherwise it becomes ridiculous. @Tt Gold - Whatever!!!
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benfb
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I don't want to get too deep into this argument because too much of this is being felt on a personal level and people are getting upset. Still, I'd like to make a few points: 1) It's impossible to post videos without being critiqued. You have to expect a lot of feedback that you don't like, don't agree with, or find insulting. And you have to be prepared that some of those comments may be true. Personally, I find it a lot more suspicious when people only post compliments. 2) Your skill level may be better than ever, but do you play with the same hunger -- the same ruthless will to win -- that you used in your more competitive days? If you're playing well, but not playing to kill, that will produce "highlight matches" that look good in video, but don't reflect competitive ability. I'm not saying this is the case here, but it's a possibility and you might not even realize it. 3) Let's suppose you're just playing "your" style, that has always served you well. Then it's likely your son has developed his own style in a way that specifically counters your style and that he knows how to find your weak points. What I see in the video is that your son never looks worried, never looks confused. That's what a tournament match video would reveal. Otherwise, it's really hard to see his full potential. That said, I did enjoy the video.
Edited by benfb - 09/01/2016 at 1:39am |
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JacekGM
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I have just spent some time reading this... JKC indeed is a straight shooter. I must say that I pretty much agree with Tt Gold, am a little surprised he let it it go... interesting.
The requirement for the commentator to be a very high level player in order to accept his/her remarks is simply absurd. This has been practiced here at times, by some macho/ pretentious types, but is just pathetic. The truth is the kid is very good, but it is also true that at this point in his development (physical, as a player, and mental) his game needs to be analyzed from all these angles, and going soft on him e.g. such that he can show his strong shots simply does not make sense. Instead, filming and analyzing his matches from real competitions has to be recommended, as Tt Gold pointed out. |
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kenneyy88
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Looks a lot stronger than in the past. Any physical training? or just getting older?
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Tt Gold
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Jkc funny how you can't take critique.Keep thinking that you know everything better.Oh I forgot you were in the top 150 in England, but I'm not going to start this as I might get banned by some butt hurt people that can't accept the fact that there countries....Anyways no point in talking to you anymore, even though it would be interesting to know where I failed with my posts.Bye.
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JKC
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I don't worry too much, and I'm happy to debate with anyone about my game or Fred's.
More debate = More views = More adsense money. lol. Fred is just looking forward to getting some new equipment to play with in the next few days, so he is keen to play as much as possible. He is also planning to make a service video so maybe I can learn to receive them better.
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Tassie52
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I predict there will be no video from Tt Gold, precisely because he can't do half of what you can. Which is the point I made previously. Armchair experts can all play better than the pros - until you ask them to post a video. He obviously missed the post where you gave your credentials, or else is so arrogant he still thinks he knows better than you do.
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Tt Gold
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Wise words
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JKC
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Probably best to let sleeping dogs lie.
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JKC
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Must find that thread again if it hasn't been removed.
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Tt Gold
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What happened there?
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JKC
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That's it, keep hammering away at the physical fitness route rather than the skill route. You have clearly lost the argument and failed (in this thread as well as others which I have read) to demonstrate much more than a rudimentary knowledge of our sport. Keep trying though and when you feel up to it post a vid of yourself for us to enjoy.
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Tt Gold
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There is Not "one right"way to play the game.I'm saying that the stroke you've chosen at that point was not the best one, but I understand that the suggestion I have made, requires a certain level of physical fitness.
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JKC
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And I'm just saying that I don't know your level and whether you are able to do the things that you are suggesting I do and whether you understand the quality of the ball you are asking me to do it against. So until I know your standard and whether you make your suggestions based on your own ability and experience or from watching a few vids and deciding that this is how the game should be played I will stick to a game that I know is effective for me. There is a whole lot more to being a good player than looking like a good player.
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