Nexy Karis M and M+ reviews

To AndySmith
That is your perception. Nobody asked to "shut up". If this is your perception it is your problem or you read the thoughts of others?=) lol .

I will not go down to that level and follow your kind of conversation. Keeping this topic clean.
Have fun.

P.S. Example with google is just correlation. Understood wrongly... not surprised.



Edited by player87 - 01/24/2017 at 5:35am

Olio wrote: AndySmith wrote: I went to a small local-ish tournament this weekend Hi Andy, didn't realise you'd be there. It's very local to me. had I known, I'd have come and watch a bit! Local-ish? Where are you exactly? PM if you want...

player87 wrote: To AndySmith This is my last message about it. I've read a lot of reviews here especially about nexy's blade and I mentioned that a lot of reviews a written based on 1-2-3 days some of them based on several hours. It should help understanding the logic behind my post.

is the karis m/m+ a good rubber for a developing player? given that the description so far seems that it doesn't have the noticable catapult effect of high tension rubbers and plays very linear with medium throw, perhaps it's a nice alternative to consider for someone looking for a controllable rubber that has enough speed to grow a long time from a lower level. thoughts appreciated!

Got my Karis M / M+ last week, put it on yesterday and tried it in a session.

coffeeholic wrote: is the karis m/m+ a good rubber for a developing player? given that the description so far seems that it doesn't have the noticable catapult effect of high tension rubbers and plays very linear with medium throw, perhaps it's a nice alternative to consider for someone looking for a controllable rubber that has enough speed to grow a long time from a lower level. thoughts appreciated!

I have a strong opinion on this topic, which is that I find bouncy, non linear rubbers often detrimental to developing proper technique unless players have structured, profesional coaching. Among key reasons are that they allow for making shots without using body turn and proper weight transferred and that they don't give sufficient feedback for players to understand the reason for missing shots.

As such, I strongly believe that linear rubbers with lots of control, like Karis M, are better suited for developing players than faster and bouncier alternatives. However I realize and appreciate the fact that many recreational, developing players have more fun playing with Tenergy, etc, especially those who put higher priority on being able to rally with less effort and/or to hit occasional "amazing winners" than on developing proper technique and/or extending their rallies - to each his own.

VictorK wrote: coffeeholic wrote: is the karis m/m+ a good rubber for a developing player? given that the description so far seems that it doesn't have the noticable catapult effect of high tension rubbers and plays very linear with medium throw, perhaps it's a nice alternative to consider for someone looking for a controllable rubber that has enough speed to grow a long time from a lower level. thoughts appreciated! I have a strong opinion on this topic, which is that I find bouncy, non linear rubbers often detrimental to developing proper technique unless players have structured, profesional coaching. Among key reasons are that they allow for making shots without using body turn and proper weight transferred and that they don't give sufficient feedback for players to understand the reason for missing shots. As such, I strongly believe that linear rubbers with lots of control, like Karis M, are better suited for developing players than faster and bouncier alternatives. However I realize and appreciate the fact that many recreational, developing players have more fun playing with Tenergy, etc, especially those who put higher priority on being able to rally with less effort and/or to hit occasional "amazing winners" than on developing proper technique and/or extending their rallies - to each his own.

IMO, VictorK's comment is more applicable to people who combine bouncy rubber with too much blade. Like me the two years I used tb zlf + 2×t05 rated between 1400 - 1600. Now I'm using a yasaka sweden classic at 1800 and life is much better.

One thing I don't like T05 is overly bouncy behavior at short game.
It's great when you play aggressive short game like flipping flicking or sort of that behavior but when come to short ball drop on receiving, chopping close to table, it is overly bouncy. 

Edited by Crowsfeather - 01/24/2017 at 9:55pm

Baal wrote: viva wrote: Weird question but here it goes, does this require a stroke mechanics like that of hurricane or other Chinese rubbers or is it an out and out ESN ? I think it's a good question. I see it as kind of in between, but closer to non Chinese. I had that thought from the first five minutes of using it. I'm not a huge EJ and don't have much appreciation at all for Hurricane, so take this with a grain of salt, but I think Karis responds well to that way of swinging (as if you wrer using Hurricane). I get great power when I mentally visualize that, altnough in realith my stroke is nothing like that. I still think it is a class of its own overal. l

BRS wrote: Karis blocks like a dream, but i found that leading me to push and block and generally play more passive points, which is not where i want to go. And I lost spin on serves (a very big deal) and loops (less big but still not good)

This is my main concern about Karis. That it would hurt my attempt to become (in my dreams,ha) a good offensive-style player.  

I haven't tried the rubber, but if its features are like BRS say, I think that I would be really tempted to play a lazy game if I use Karis. If I have to work with my body (arm speed, rotation, etc.) to make a really dangerous offensive stroke (at least, less dangerous than with another type of rubber) but, at the same time, my defensive strokes are rewarded, I bet that my lazy reptilian brain would take the "passive mindset" and would tell me in the ear: " Hey buddy, let´s not waste energy, we are playing soooo well being passive, just keep it this way, we just don´t need more". 

I know that I am exaggerating a bit and that to become a really good offensive player, you have to be able to handle counter attacks, and that third balls winning points are not everything, etc, etc....but you get the idea of my concern.  

bard romance wrote: The characteristics of a rubber should never shape the way you play the game. If it does, then you have bigger concerns. I doubt anyone here, myself included, will be maxing out the speed and spin of any modern rubber to the point where its holding you back. There are plenty of top players who play their games with rubbers that are far from the optimal in speed and spin. If you like the feel and can put quality balls on the table with it, use it.

"I've used, and know very good players who have used Joola Rhyzm which to me is a jack of all trades but master of none type rubber. Even though I read things that seem to align with this view a lot. That part I stand by. "

I don't don't consider either Karis or Rhyzm to be jack of all trade rubbers, whatever that means.  The main thing is that Karis feels as if its output matches your input in a way that you understand.  That does not mean it does nothing well or that it does everything well. Someone could just as well argue that H3 does everything well or that Tenergy does everything well.

Baal wrote: All just words anyway. "Output matching input" is no more meaningful than "jack of all trades" (since we are trying to describe a feeling, it is not like any of us have subjected the rubber to some sort of engineering analysis). Karis doesn't feel to me like Rhyzm. With Karis I have greater confidence in a lot of shots, both offensive and defensive. People will get their own impressions if they try it. A lot of threads get bogged down over terminology that sounds more precise than it is and people get heated and don't even disagree. Also, strengths of a rubber are player-dependent.  One thing I do real well with Karis is counterattack right of the bounce. I can also chop balls that I would have lobbed or fished with T05 -- because with Karis they go where I want them too (on the table and low).  Those are two quite different things that I like about what Karis does for me.