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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mog1111 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/15/2017 at 12:23pm
I'm switching to EL-S on backhand too.
just got to decide now between Stratus Powerwood and Force Pro blue
think it might be the stratus as EL-S is fairly medium hard sponge, so the flex might help with loops.
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I tried the EL-S with a couple of layers of booster last night, It felt extremely close to the t80 on my backhand.
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wow im not sure it needs boosting?
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Well, it was on a friend's paddle, he had boosted it
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I have el-s on my backhand donic true carbon and it feels a bit too hard for me. Should I try fx-p or would another brand be preferable.
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Weeble, what do you usually do on your backhand?
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Weeble, what do you usually do on your backhand?


It's the only rubber I've used on the true carbon which is new to me as well.  For a few years I used Joola Rhyzym 420 on a Rossi Emotion but I found the rossi to be too light and unstable. 

Then was using adidas P3 on backhand of NCT maplewood V.  Looks like P3 and the 420 have similar hardness. 

I have El-s on the NCT maplewood backhand as well and it feels softer than on the true carbon but I haven't really been using that setup.  Using the true carbon.

Made a lot of changes all at once.  I was playing at a crappy place with no space so was always close to the table and using celluloid balls. 
Now I'm playing with more space, plastic balls, and a fast blade so it's a lot of adjustment to make. 

Just lost confidence in my backhand, I used to have a great one when I was right on the table but now I find myself backing up and that requires a loop instead of more of a drive.
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Weeble, can't help exactly the way you want because I haven't played with the FXP thought I have played with the ELS alot and have two DTC.  From what you have said I suggest from one of the combos MAXXX-P for your BH.  good control and spin, adequate driving power and should be close to softness to you Rhyzm.  I estimate the FXP is softer than that range.
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Is there just one kind of Maxxx-p?  I guess you mean just different thicknesses. 

Looks good but not cheap...


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just one kind and just a few bucks more
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mog1111 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/20/2017 at 8:18am
my EL-S has arrived for my bh in 1.9mm so lets see how that works out
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Maxxx-p is a different rubber compared to els. Els is spinnier and feels harder.
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yogi, would you agree you need good technique to get the spin out of el-s, probably because of the hardness?
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Not really tbough you would need to know how to brush the ball properly.
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it must be me with rubbish technique. ha ha ha

I do like el-s though
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That ugly Tibhar sickness has taken down my sheets of ELS. They have lost their grip after about 5 weeks of use. They are still spinny but they are a lot more difficult to lift underspin with. Also, they have lost some speed which is noticeable during rallies. I spent 3 hours playing with Joola Flash this evening and lost many points because of this.


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Booster to the rescue?
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tenergy to the rescue, expensive but it does last

Edited by mog1111 - 03/17/2017 at 7:42am
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My EL-S seems ok after 30+ hours of play and training including multiball. However I did mention what you said about speed bug grip is still there.
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Mine is ok after 3weeks
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After few months with ELS, it became a bit softer (slower?) but the grip is still there, lots of it actually. I also noticed it does a little bit better in warmer environment compared to the colder temps.
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Originally posted by rocketman222 rocketman222 wrote:

Booster to the rescue?

I just put the first layer of oil on them. We will see what happens.
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I like el-s on my fh, but I don't like it in on my bh.
I'm not going back to tenergy anymore, gonna focus on playing better shots.


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Boosting it did not work out as I had expected. Control improved but it was not as dangerous any more. 
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I found EL-S to be very picky in terms of blades you are using. I played it on innerforce ZLC. Much better than on my zealot. On donic waldner offensive it is really slow and not spinny.
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Tried EL-S at BH on my new ITC blade. Last year I played Viscaria+MX-S@BH.
All in all - very good rubber, easier to play than MX-S. Like it a lot. Strongly recommended. Good match with carbon blades, I guess.                 
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Vic, what domyou mean by " easier to play than MX-S"? That is easier to generate more speed or spin, or that is more forgiving when you play an imperfect stroke?
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I´ve been  switching from MX-P to EL-S on my RW-V´s on my FH

My conclusions:

It´s not spinnier than MXP at all, but definitely more balanced. The topsheet looks grippier than MXP but on services it´s not as spinnier though :(
If you play with 5ply allwood it might be a bit slow from mid distance for power looping,  but close to the table you´ve got tons of control, way better than MXP since it´s  not as bouncy so slower, which means better for short game or touch/finesse shots on the table.
Lower throw than MXP. I would rate as medium; MXP has quite higher throw.


I´ll give a few sessions more but honestly i´m not fully convinced with it as a FH rubber, since i can loop effordless with MXP and produce more deadly shots in spite of the lack of control compared to ELS, which imo needs to engage to a bit more sponge/topsheet.




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Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

I´ve been  switching from MX-P to EL-S on my RW-V´s on my FH

My conclusions:

It´s not spinnier than MXP at all, but definitely more balanced. The topsheet looks grippier than MXP but on services it´s not as spinnier though :(
If you play with 5ply allwood it might be a bit slow from mid distance for power looping,  but close to the table you´ve got tons of control, way better than MXP since it´s  not as bouncy so slower, which means better for short game or touch/finesse shots on the table.
Lower throw than MXP. I would rate as medium; MXP has quite higher throw.


I´ll give a few sessions more but honestly i´m not fully convinced with it as a FH rubber, since i can loop effordless with MXP and produce more deadly shots in spite of the lack of control compared to ELS, which imo needs to engage to a bit more sponge/topsheet.






I made quite a few similar observations too.


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anyone still using el-s
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