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arg0
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This. You can always get expensive blades at about 20-25% discount. Moreover, tt11 claims they randomly select their weekly specials, so if it's truly random, it could have been coincidence. Otoh, maybe they want to push a number of blades out early to ensure a number of reviews. On top of that tt-japan and iruiru also have/had them 20% off even before it was released. |
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Sedis
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I assume it might vary depending on where you are in the world, but with TT11's % discount scheme the blade at standard price would qualify you for a reasonable discount in any case, add a couple of rubbers (or buy a pair of blades) and you could pay this price even when the blade is not on offer.
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peter79
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The feel is more solid dan acoustic carbon,speed a bit slower.
My acoustic carbon is 92 gr, violin carbon 91 gr |
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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
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Thomasson
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I will order one aswell in the coming weeks, hopefully it plays close to acoustic carbon, which I like but I prefer this handle colors (matches my club colors).
I actually have Acoustic Carbon with MJ handles but its around 92g because of the custom handles I believe. |
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peter79
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I will test and compare to Acoustic inner and outer carbon today, test bouncing with ball.
Edited by peter79 - 12/08/2017 at 3:30am |
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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
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h0n1g
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seems like frequency wise its close to the Acoustic Carbon which isnt too surprising I guess.
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arg0
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Sorry if the above image is already overquoted (previous posters, please consider removing it from your quotation, if it's not essential), but I wanted to post it next to an image of regular Violin LG (with Large ST handle). As you can see, regardless of the dimensions, the shape is clearly different: more round-ish on the Violin Carbon (just like regular Violin) and more elongated, with flatter top/bottom surfaces, on the Violin LG: |
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arg0
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I would have snatched 'em up, but for Europe, with taxes, it was more like $162 a piece, so still good but not that great... If you decide to sell one, I'll get it for the price you paid, if you include shipping. |
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arg0
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To anyone interested. Violin Carbon ST is out of stock at tt11 and not expected to become available again before the end of the weekly special offer.
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Sedis
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I'll get a chance to try it tomorrow. I have been wanting a carbon blade with a harder outer veneer but that is not too stiff and in the off-/off range or a while, so in theory this ticks a lot of boxes for me.
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I make it 28mm by 23mm
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Basquests
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Yeah, the acoustic/violin handles are tiny. Remember that when buying, and possibly wait for the LG version of the Violin Carbon.
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arg0
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I emailed TT1 and inquired about the dimensions of the ST handle.
The reason is that I am very picky about handle sizes. I stopped playing with regular Violin for a few years because I felt the ST handle was too thin, until Violin LG (L-Size handle) came out. Their reply was:
Interestingly, the handles of regular Violin and Violin carbon appear to be thicker (and rounder) than Violin LG. This does not completely match my own measurements, which are:
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Don't forget to put in your review as soon as you get them so that I can also get them while on sale. |
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ashishsharmaait
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Any reviews on this blade yet?
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arg0
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So this is the end of the testing session and we have to keep an eye on the FS section?
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arg0
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25% off at TT11 (weekly special)!
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arg0
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As to the testing in Europe: another option could be that, if the blades for the US testing are meant to be returned to TT11, I could organise and continue the testing in Europe with the same blades... Or, I could indeed organise a separate testing in Europe. But let's see if the US testing goes through, first. Thanks. |
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Thanks fatt for including me. If there's one test blade, I can be last on the list, and will then send it back to TT1 in Estonia.
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arg0
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Eventually. Looking forward to the first review!
Edited by arg0 - 12/02/2017 at 5:38pm |
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Available in tt11
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Dr.Cho
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Well..Yes hide does remain flexible in that when heated it can be repaired.
I can see by your other numerous posts you are in doubt about hide glue being used in the violin. I have done lots of research on multiple forums.. guitar making, violin rebuilding and stringed instrument making as well as many sports in my quest for making a better blade. Even Stradivarius and how he used hide...quite interesting. I also have made over 230 paddles and have a good idea how the process is done. And Yes I do believe its hide that is transmitting tonal waves that makes it different When they say made like stringed instruments and the most famous ones are made with hide glue Why would you think any further, just enjoy |
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arg0
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I see you strongly believe in hide glue being used in Violin. I'm just not sure whether your belief is based on reality. "because of how hard it cures": glad to see you changed your mind, because last time we discussed you stated hide glue remains flexible. "probably why it has the feel like no other blade": maybe, but I know of no evidence that hide glue is indeed used. "lots of woodworkers, guitar makers and violin makers use hide and some with carbon too": would be glad to know that it can be made, but at present I'm rather agnostic. What are your sources? I'm not into woodworking, but as far as I can read hide glue does not stick (well) to carbon fibre, so it cannot be used for laminating carbon fibre to wood. It can be used for "buried reinforcement", when carbon fibre is completely surrounded by wood, but that's not the case in table tennis. Source: http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=354063 Citing from another forum: Gluing carbon fibre to wood. Q: I was thinking about making a brace for a failing acoustic of mine that incorporates the use of carbon fibre. [...] What glue would work for this? Epoxy? Gorilla glue? A: Hide glue. Bwah hah hah! Just joking. Epoxy - pretty much any kind. So, at least for the wood layers contacting the carbon fibre layers, I have no evidence that hide glue can be used. As such, I have to conclude that if hide glue is used at all, it is just for gluing the core to the intermediate plies. Besides, I haven't read any review of Violin Carbon yet. It may well be that it does not have the same feel as the original Violin... Edited by arg0 - 11/14/2017 at 5:53pm |
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Hmmm, somethings wrong then
Hide is superior to other glues for transmitting tonal waves between wood veneers because of how hard it cures and it pulls wood together as it cures. probably why it has the feel like no other blade. Hide also comes in granules, flakes and flat sheets. lots of woodworkers, guitar makers and violin makers use hide and some with carbon too |
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arg0
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Carbon fiber and hide glue don't stick together, literally.
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Yep, another Hide Glue Wonder coming out to choose from.
These Blades do have a different feel. If you check stringed insturments hot hide is the choice glue. because of creep. This makes the blade making more extensive and time consuming Hence more expensive. |
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I ordered 91 gr FL which is the heaviest ttjapan has, will arrive soon.
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OK, one more example of bad automatic translation on the Nittaku website. The announced release date is not 11 October, as in the first post, it's 10 November (11月10日). So, still a few more weeks to go.
Oh, and iruiru has it for preorder for 16000JPY, as well. |
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arg0
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Hmm, 11 October has passed, anyone has bought/pre-ordered one?
[[Update: just realised the original announcement says 10 Nov, not 11 Oct: see my next post]] I see it's not yet listed on tt11 or iruiru, while tt-japan has it listed at 16000JPY (that's 4000 off the list price on Nittaku's website) with coming soon/sold out status. Any other trusted shop where it can be ordered? Edited by arg0 - 10/16/2017 at 6:14pm |
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