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Great review.  How is the catapult effect on the O7P?  Do we have a potential P7 replacement here?
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yes, it can replace the P7. The catapult is more than you expect and it is very bouncy.
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if I compare it to the Rasanter R47, the Omega 7 is spinnier with a bit softer feel and with almost teh same speed and catapult.
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Could you compare the O7P to Tenergy? (To the one that is the closest to O7P). Thanks!

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Feels different entirely from t05. The o7 pro is definitely faster and softer but tenergy is still spinnier.
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Omega v pro is a good substitute for tenergy 05
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Yogi, can you make a comparison between O7P with ITC Ultra 45 and 48? (spin, speed, throw angle)
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Omega v pro is a good substitute for tenergy 05

Sorry, I disagree with that. In my opinion, OVP is noticeably softer, slower and less spinny, therefore not a substitute.

Is there any Tenergy rubber (T80, T64, or even FXs) that is comparable to O7P? Thanks.
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For anyone who is interested, American Table Tennis has O7P listed for sale on their website.
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Originally posted by carbon136 carbon136 wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Omega v pro is a good substitute for tenergy 05


Sorry, I disagree with that. In my opinion, OVP is noticeably softer, slower and less spinny, therefore not a substitute.

Is there any Tenergy rubber (T80, T64, or even FXs) that is comparable to O7P? Thanks.


+1 on what you've said. Even I can't really link OVP to being similar to t05, the OVT probably plays closer to t05.
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Originally posted by shinshiro shinshiro wrote:

Yogi, can you make a comparison between O7P with ITC Ultra 45 and 48? (spin, speed, throw angle)

Speed wise 48 n o7p are on te same level but o7p seems spinnier by a small margin. Both o7p and 48 have mediumto high throw. 45 is just a toned down version of the 48.

Let me paraphrase my term on "substitute" rather it should be alternative. It is the "closest" i can compare to since i have not tried the tour version. Let us not talk about spin. Still mo rubber that can rival t05's spin.
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Originally posted by shinshiro shinshiro wrote:

Yogi, can you make a comparison between O7P with ITC Ultra 45 and 48? (spin, speed, throw angle)

Speed wise 48 n o7p are on te same level but o7p seems spinnier by a small margin. Both o7p and 48 have mediumto high throw. 45 is just a toned down version of the 48.

Between O7P, 48 and 45, how would you rank them on short game? I mean, wich one has less catapult on very gentle shots?

Do you know some rubber that has similar playing caracteristics to ultra 45? It will be easier to get a better idea of how it plays.

You said O7P is easy to control for a fast rubber. One of the marketing about Ultra is also the good control if offers despite the high speed. Do you also think ultra 48 has good control? Does it have more control than O7P?

Sorry for the loads of questions. I know that you will do a more in deph review of Ultra in the future, but I can't contain myself haha



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Same control but the o7p is just a level above because of the extra spin.forget the ultra 45, the 48 can do it better.
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How does the O7P perform compare to the MX-P?



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The mxp can produce spin even with thin contact. The o7p needs to sink the ball in order for you to spin. Both are very spinny but the o7p is easier to use or control.
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

The mxp can produce spin even with thin contact. The o7p needs to sink the ball in order for you to spin. Both are very spinny but the o7p is easier to use or control.

How does it look with arc? O7P higher than MX-P?
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Just received my sheet of Omega VII Pro in black with 2.0 mm sponge.  At 170mm x 170mm, it has a total uncut weight of 63 grams.  I took a nice closeup view of the edge showing the pips and top sheet pretty clearly.  If someone can tell me how to upload the image, I'll be happy to post it.
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Can please compare it with rozena rubber ?
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Originally posted by Rich L Rich L wrote:

Just received my sheet of Omega VII Pro in black with 2.0 mm sponge.  At 170mm x 170mm, it has a total uncut weight of 63 grams.  I took a nice closeup view of the edge showing the pips and top sheet pretty clearly.  If someone can tell me how to upload the image, I'll be happy to post it.
that should translate to 45 grams cut to a regular head,a very nice weight for a modern medium hard rubber. Is it what you get? 

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On my Hyabusa blades, the 70% rule seems to apply, 44g cut.
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Are any of the Omega 7 rubbers good for a modern defensive game? I'm talking about Joo Sae Hyuk/Yuto Muramatsu/Ma Te style.
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Danthespearton, modern defense usually uses typical offensive inverted rubbers on the forehand: so, afaik, no special requirements for the off inverted side - except maybe weight depending on blade size. Eg JSH uses tenergy on forehand.

Do you have something else in mind?
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The omega vii pro seem to bouncy for chopping
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Originally posted by ohwell ohwell wrote:

Danthespearton, modern defense usually uses typical offensive inverted rubbers on the forehand: so, afaik, no special requirements for the off inverted side - except maybe weight depending on blade size. Eg JSH uses tenergy on forehand.

Do you have something else in mind?
Well, yes, that is true; however, some are still more suitable than others. For example, Bryce HighSpeed versus Tenergy; you see my point? Wink Also, it's not that I have the EJ bug, I'm just asking out of curiosity, since no one has touched on that area. Also, if you want to know what I'm currently using, I'm using Mark V GPS.
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

The omega vii pro seem to bouncy for chopping


For modern defense I’m assuming the fh rubber would be used for spinny attack not chopping..
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Originally posted by Danthespearton Danthespearton wrote:

Originally posted by ohwell ohwell wrote:

Danthespearton, modern defense usually uses typical offensive inverted rubbers on the forehand: so, afaik, no special requirements for the off inverted side - except maybe weight depending on blade size. Eg JSH uses tenergy on forehand.

Do you have something else in mind?

Well, yes, that is true; however, some are still more suitable than others. For example, Bryce HighSpeed versus Tenergy; you see my point? Wink Also, it's not that I have the EJ bug, I'm just asking out of curiosity, since no one has touched on that area. Also, if you want to know what I'm currently using, I'm using Mark V GPS.


Is there anything the Bryce highspeed is good for? ;)

More seriously, afaik if it’s good for spinny, modern offense, it’s likely suitable for the modern defense Fh, right? On paper, there might be one major advantage of the omega vii for modern defense (vs the other countless spinny offensive rubbers): the reduced weight - esp if using an oversized blade..
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Originally posted by ohwell ohwell wrote:

Originally posted by Danthespearton Danthespearton wrote:

Originally posted by ohwell ohwell wrote:

Danthespearton, modern defense usually uses typical offensive inverted rubbers on the forehand: so, afaik, no special requirements for the off inverted side - except maybe weight depending on blade size. Eg JSH uses tenergy on forehand.

Do you have something else in mind?

Well, yes, that is true; however, some are still more suitable than others. For example, Bryce HighSpeed versus Tenergy; you see my point? Wink Also, it's not that I have the EJ bug, I'm just asking out of curiosity, since no one has touched on that area. Also, if you want to know what I'm currently using, I'm using Mark V GPS.


Is there anything the Bryce highspeed is good for? ;)

More seriously, afaik if it’s good for spinny, modern offense, it’s likely suitable for the modern defense Fh, right? On paper, there might be one major advantage of the omega vii for modern defense (vs the other countless spinny offensive rubbers): the reduced weight - esp if using an oversized blade..
What I meant by modern defense was not just spinny attacking, but attacking (not necessarily just super spinny FH's; I drive the slightest bit more than looping) and chopping, similar to Joo Sae Hyuk's style back in the early 2000's, and other defenders like Yuto Muramatsu and Ma Te. 
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I'm also interested if any modern defenders give these new Xiom offerings a try. I've used Xiom Vega Japan for 4-5 years now for modern defence. It works great for everything including chopping, looping, pushing, smashing etc...
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How would you compare Omega VII Euro to T05-FX if looking for a rubber that is more forgiving than the harder T05, MX-P etc but still has sufficient speed and spin to finish points against higher level players?

The main factors being, spin sensitivity on passive returns of serve, speed, control and spin.
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Euro vii has lesser spin but a great rubber overall. I would go with vii pro instead.
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