ABS Plastic Balls

Same thing happens here. We play national league and events and depending on the event or the local club we have to adapt to every different ball which is a hassle.

Apart from the main 4 different kind of balls (Butterfly, Seamless,Nittaku or ABS) there's also variations coz the same brands something used several different approved ball which makes things even more twisted.

There's Butterfly plastic ball 1st gen, but also "G" or "A" series.

Nittaku Ball but there's the made in China version or the Japanese premium which is different.

Seamed old 1st gen plastic ball which was DHS and an few Euro brands ...

Seamless ball like XSF which is also relabelled by many brands.

ABS like D40 isn now being relabelled by many other brands that co-exist with their seamless version under the same brand name.

It's not enough to know the name of the brand but also to specify which model of the ball: And the worst thing: most of people don't know what are we talking about

I hit regularly with an ex international level player. We generally use NP40+ or DHS D40+. He is over 60 and still spins the crap out of the ABS ball.

His loops and chiquita flick are regularly blocked well off the table by 2K+ players in real game situations. His stroke quality is simply too powerful in speed and spin.

If 1100 players are blocking "quality" loops, then the bar for quality is low.

Fabian1890 wrote: The D40+‘s bounce is much closer to Celluloid than of the seamless balls which bounce higher than and other ball

I know this but the difference is huge. Nittaku premium has also a lower bounce like cell but it's more pleasant&funnier to play.

I've tried so many times but I can't adapt to the shitty ABS balls. Once I got used to XSF for 3 season I feel this D40+ has a strange low bounce, and you have to change dramatically your game. It's easier for rallying but less effective for topspin game.

Sometimes the bounce is that low that it's literally imposible yo land any topspin on the opponents table because it digs on the net or it bottoms out... and if you're able to do it, It's so ridiculously easy to block, and being blocked what it's useless. You don't need to aware the bat angle, dont worry about this, just only the speed of the ball: slow loops are harder to block than powerloops since there's no friction on your topsheet and it's digs on the net.

It's the perfect ball for beginners and not skilled players... A really frustrating experience :(



Edited by jonyer1980 - 11/12/2018 at 6:15pm

I GOT DETERMINED TO TAKE UP SOME MORE EXPERIMENTS.

Truth to say , I had never encountered any problem of the "balls shape loss,", or suchlike,   just for the reason that I do swap to another ball as soon as the played one getting shiny. I do hate playing with glossy balls.
Some next day I will do some prolonged experiments with DHS balls, by working the ball for a longer while and thus could we see if DHS sphere really got deformed after a while, and how much.    

DHS 40d+ GOT UNPLAYABLE IN A HOUR PLAY.

Yes, I have now got information from an Aliaexpress buyer. The DHS 40D+ balls were reported to get out of round shape just after a hour's play. The ball got wobbling in rotation after a hour play.   Yes, it is all because the ABS PLASTIC is known for being a "ductile material", non elastic material.

Future tournaments with one hour driving: all use Joola or Bfy "white plastic balls",
four out of 6 are more precise: "Joola Prime 40+ 3 Star ABS Balls".

For Gambler, it is the P40+ that I found to be about as good as the DHS D40+, which I like the most.

Rather off-topic: I like best the DHS 40+ (from ttnpp) but no competition uses them.

Nittaku Premium 40+ are also fine, and today I tried Gambler 40+
and liked it as well. I am fortunate that at my club the better players
agree to use DHS40+ when hitting with me, as they use Bfy G40+ when playing
each other, and I hate the G40+. Competitions use it though.

I just got in some psc samples. Didn't one of the previous threads discuss those?

AndySmith wrote: Fulanodetal wrote: Hi Andy, thanks for your thoughtful response. I however would have to disagree a little bit. "<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">This misses the point being made by </span><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">some </span><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">players.  In the cell days, some players relied on spin more than others, and had built up strategy and entire play styles around that. "</span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"> </span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Please count me in the camp of players who rely on spin more than, say overpowering your opponent. I did build my style around spinny shots. I find nowadays that I can still produce spinny shots and with relatively more spin than most of my opponents. I often get the comment "wow, that's really spinny!". So no I would not think I have missed any point since I am one of those players. I am still capable of producing serious amounts of spin, but thanks to my coach, my footwork has improved and my shot mechanics have improved where now I am able to put more power on my shots with more control as well.</span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"> </span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">"</span><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">It's the same change, but it will have more impact on some than others."</span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"> </span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Sure, I guess. Would you care to elaborate on this? I somewhat agree. My point was however, that the spin potential has been lowered, more or less equally for all players (depending on the plastic ball being used).</span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"> </span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">FdT</span> The spin potential has indeed lowered equally, but players rely on extreme spin to greater or lesser degrees.   For the former, that could be an over-emphasis on one particular shot that worked well with cell, or building a game on spin reversal.  For the latter, it could be a player who predominantly flat hits.  Spin potential has different value to different players - some can absorb a sudden loss of spin into their games, some will struggle to adapt. My pet peeve with this (and this isn't aimed at you, because you haven't done this) is people who take a "just get on with it, stop moaning, it's the same for everyone" approach to the world.  Very often, it isn't the same for everyone at all.  Changing a feature will immediately reveal who is best positioned to adapt to that change, often quite by nothing more than good fortune based on unrelated choices made years earlier.  I don't advocate moaning as a good response either of course, but I do feel it's important to recognise that the difficulty in adapting isn't equal for everyone and some players may need more support and understanding that others.

Well written.

Baal wrote: Everyone needs to bear in mind that (1) we don't have ABS balls in the original 40, as opposed to 40+ size

Yasaka Select 1* ABS ball is precisely 40 mm, as opposed to the other ABS balls (40.2 mm on my electronic caliper). 0.2 mm less diameter certainly feels more stable and heavy. It is also more grippy than, say, Xiom Bravo 2*. The latter however boast the absolute form of the Platonic sphere, perfectly round. Waiting to get in possession of some 3* ABS from Yasaka.

How much exactly is the diameter of DHS and Stiga ABS balls?

LUCKYLOOP wrote: Baal wrote: One last thing Mark. One hour of really hard focused practice like that is better than four hours of undisciplined ball whacking. Also if you really do that program, if you try to play matches afterword you will suck. Matches are for different days. The point of all this is that 40+ balls, whether tbey are ABS or some other material, demand greater athleticsm and body rotation on spin shots, and they punish lazy technique. For that to happen you really need to move well and generate racket speed from compact strokes. A lot of little touch stuff in our sport is less important or effective. As a person gets older, per more athleticism of above, a player should consider being a pushblocker on their Bh, which will set up a lot of easy 4h attacks.

I'd rather quit.

Baal wrote: One last thing Mark. One hour of really hard focused practice like that is better than four hours of undisciplined ball whacking. Also if you really do that program, if you try to play matches afterword you will suck. Matches are for different days. The point of all this is that 40+ balls, whether tbey are ABS or some other material, demand greater athleticsm and body rotation on spin shots, and they punish lazy technique. For that to happen you really need to move well and generate racket speed from compact strokes. A lot of little touch stuff in our sport is less important or effective.

As a person gets older, per more athleticism of above, a player should consider being a pushblocker on their Bh, which will set up a lot of easy 4h attacks.

" It is really important now to have a reliable and effective long serve.  It needs to be really long, not half-long.  I spent a lot of time working to be ready for third balls that would be most likely to come from those serves.  For example, it is highly unlikely that anyone will return a decent long serve short.  The third ball is coming out.  Be ready to hit a controlled but solid third ball off that to either side or the opponent's body."