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Egghead
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C'mon, if you want to keep believing the second only son of God exist, no one will stop you; I'm out too Edited by Egghead - 04/14/2018 at 1:11am |
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andras
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let's do like this:
Italy proposed the test to stop the cheaters with frictionless LP.
If in the US the problem seems to be the booster instead of complaining
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andras
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absolutely yes! but try to play a frictionless lp player with a regular lp and see if he is able to |
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andras
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The promoter of the Italian initiative against cheaters in the table tennis will be in
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purpletiesto
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Sounds like the words of a frictionless pips user
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Note: I am not necessarily disagreeing with Pushblocker's distinction between Rules and Regulations and the absence from the Laws of the Game of any reference to change in playing charaacteristics over the course of time. However,
There are two sets of conditions linked by the conjunction "or" in Rule 2.04.07.01: 1. There are two kinds of slight deviation: continuity of surface, uniformity of colour 2. There are two kinds of cause for deviation: accidental damage, wear. "They" refers to both kinds of slight deviation - either deviation in continuity of surface or deviation in uniformity of colour. Pushblocker only states the first of these, when in fact either can be a factor for disqualifying a rubber. Plus, "they" refers not only to damage. It also refers to wear. So there are in fact four sets of circumstances under which a rubber might be disqualified: 1. Deviation in continuity of surface caused by damage 2. Deviation in uniformity of colour caused by damage 3. Deviation in continuity of surface caused by wear 4. Deviation in uniformity of colour caused by wear. |
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Egghead
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Sorry he knows it; he does not miss that. That is his pt in page 4. Then, he brings the same pt back in the page 5. It is a waste of time to talk to him. So, I am out
Edited by Egghead - 04/14/2018 at 11:01am |
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/ittfworld/41274424682/
makes me wonder why a player at that level would play with a rubber that is dirty? |
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Egghead
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You don't know that the "dirtier" / "wear out" the better
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LUCKYLOOP
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If it is that easy to win with just pushing and blocking, how come there aren't lots of players doing it and winning ? |
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andras
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this is the e-mail of the creator of the bat tester [email protected]
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andras
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Edited by andras - 04/15/2018 at 2:41am |
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andras
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I speak of medium and low levels where most people play. At high levels these rubber are less effective as the opponent usually knows how to deal |
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andras
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcLp2sd94N0
this is Roberto Negro best frictionless player in italy (play antitop frictionless = regular rubber) look at how much the forehand uses.
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The typical frictionless player is Dr. neubauer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMSwhYaZ6aY
Do you think that with that technique that mobility would have won many veteran
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andras
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Batra has just won thanks to a totally frictionless LP.
Someone still has doubts about whether a test for the attrition is not necessary
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Wow, guys like Negro are hard to find. |
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LUCKYLOOP
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I don't see any frictionless long pips players playing at the clubs in my area. How many frictionless lp players are there in clubs you guys frequent ? |
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That's quite a claim without actual proof. I think you owe Batra an apology. |
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Egghead
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NO NO NO, you are wrong. I am 100% her rubber is not frictionless LP. However, I am also 100% sure her LP is not original. Something happened to her rubber
Edited by Egghead - 04/15/2018 at 10:52am |
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Egghead
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we are talking about frictionless LP ; Youtube has many Europe local tournaments, and you can see few of the LP players were using treated (~frictionless) LP.
Edited by Egghead - 04/15/2018 at 11:03am |
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Egghead
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It is be'cos you cannot buy frictionless lp in the TT shops. Anyway, 3 guys at my club play with treated LP (non of them are really frictionless LP).
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Egghead
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look at what
Edited by Egghead - 04/15/2018 at 1:08pm |
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andras
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If there was friction control, no one would think that a player uses an irregular lp rubber.
P.S. from the images the return spin is really high
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FAIRLY USEFUL TESTING DEVICE.
My ultimate opinion is -- this device meets the purpose perfectly well. It can INDEED indicate those unduly slick pimples in most cases. PLAYER OUGHT TO UNDERSTAND: It is no matter why the racket fails in the test. The greasy pimples is the player's fault as well as the treated pimples. Yes, of course, some allowance for mechanical wear of the pimples should be made, and the board slope angle must be reduced a little. (I can offer some more calculations). |
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LUCKYLOOP
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You guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill, there are only a few Frictionless long lips players. I play with long pips, don't like the feel of frictionless, too limiting.
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andras
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exactly my provocation wanted to get to this.
The first ones who should claim an effective test are regular LP players
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