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Simon_plays
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Posted: 06/10/2018 at 1:13pm |
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What do people think about weighted shadow practice training blades like this one here:
My first coach had one and said it was great for helping solidify strokes. (He also used to beat me with it.) However, I haven't seen anyone else with one and they are never available in online shops. In fact, this one on ebay is the first one I've seen for sale anywhere. Do people agree that using your actual bat for shadow practice and doing leg exercises for strength training is the way to go? Or is there anyone on here who swears that one of these metal training blades helped them learn the basic strokes?
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The soul of rock
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I used to do multiballs with a blade like that. Now I can't play with any blade weighted less than 90g. My loops don't get more powerful, but doing that definitely helps me solidify my BH technique. The idea is to force yourself to use the wrist effectively; otherwise, you wouldn't last even half a basket of balls. Don't overdo it, though.
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Simon_plays
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Ah, so you actually glued some rubbers on an extra heavy blade and used it for multiball? I thought this blade would just be for shadow swings.
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The soul of rock
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I used super glue to stick 2 very old rubber sheets on it. Be careful though. If you want to do multiballs with that set up, you'll have to warm up properly and after 1 or 2 baskets, spend the rest of the session with your normal bat to recover the feeling.
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Kolev
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Heavier training blade will always lead to a timing disaster when playing with the actual, presumably lighter set up....Have a guess how do I know this?
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Baal
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I agree with Kolev on this. Also potential injury issues.
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The soul of rock
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Butterfly and TSP make some really heavy blades for that purpose, actually (the BTY Subuly for example). It's not as crazy as you may think. But yeah, even the easiest exercise will hurt if done wrong.
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mickd
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Would not recommend this!! But if anyone wants to try, feel free to write up your opinion after :)
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blahness
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Would agree with that... heavy bats places undue unnecessary stress on your wrist, and can destroy the feeling of relaxation by making your muscles more tense. Hit the weights in the gym instead
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ZhouZhekai
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Joo Sawhyuk used a 1-2 kg racket to practice shadow play. So it could be beneficial, especially seing how consistent Joo Saehyuk is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arBm4minIzY
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DarkerMyLove
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I've
used a weighted blade for shadow drills for about 20 months. I would never
consider or suggest using a weighted blade for actual ball hitting, but
here
are some thoughts:
Arm
strength/speed shouldn't be the focus- only a byproduct of its use. The focus should be your legs using weight transfer and your hips to start the
the swing. You must practice with a conscious effort to relax your upper
back/shoulder muscles and get your arm swing started with your legs and
hips. If you are an 'arm only' swinger...a weighted blade is not for you. If
you aren't doing training/coaching w/ footwork then it would be hard to
say if a blade like this is helpful.
I'd
also say if you are in the 'Brett Clarke' camp of having a 'whippy wrist' action
on all your shots, then a weighted blade would not be good as it would not be
good for your wrist. It would be more suited for a traditional style where your
grip & wrist are not super loose, nor tight -> until the moment of impact
when you want to make your grip and wrist more rigid to maximize power. So
think spin generation from the amount of brushing and forward acceleration, rather than any type of whippy "wrist action".
I
will use it multiple times a day but max. 5-10 mins in total: varying the
types of swings. I find that it is only good for swings where there a need for
weight transfer...meaning a normal FH loop, FH/BH loop against backspin and also
i find it is fine for a normal BH. I do not use it to shadow banana flicks or
fh flicks, nor serves.
I
would not do any one swing type more than 1 min straight. I don't think it
should be used like an exercise (like running or jumping rope) or as "weight
training". You should not be swinging this thing like a madman. This kind of
blade is very supplemental and for sure one can argue that it is completely
unnecessary. However I will say that having a weighted blade does make your legs
and hips work a little harder to get the swing started so it does have an
effect. But I would not recommend everyone to go out and buy one.
In
terms of injury, like others have said you can get injured doing the most
minimal of things incorrectly or just bad luck. It can be at the gym,
jogging... I play tennis and there are always those club players that get
injured and re-injured swinging their rackets incorrectly and putting strain on their wrist or
elbows.
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doushikunlun
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Is there official instruction from butterfly on how to use the subuly? |
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Simon_plays
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After seeing you play last week I can definitely say that it didn't do your strokes any harm
I actually did the exact same thing: 500g dumbbell at the gym in front of the mirror, 20 fh shadow swings, 20 bh shadow swings, 15 strange looks from everyone near by. Didn't injure me but doubt it did any good.
Thanks for sharing Re the Brett Clarke camp, there is definitely a video of him illustrating forehand whip mechanics via the use of a gold club.
Edited by Simon_plays - 06/12/2018 at 1:27pm |
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heavyspin
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Hitting the weights in the gym is exactly what I do. It occurred to me early this year that since the plastic ball already ruined my touch, I might as well lift heavier weights in the gym. I may start a new post on this.
Edited by heavyspin - 06/13/2018 at 10:37am |
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Lightzy
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I practiced every basic technique with a weighted blade. Rubber in one side and a heavy metal weight nailed to the other side. With a ball. Multiball feed.
It's not for strength at all. It's for solidifying technique, since you simply can't make non fluid motions with it, and hence you train the fluidity of the technique which is the most important aspect of technique. Edited by Lightzy - 06/13/2018 at 1:03pm |
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