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    Posted: 10/05/2018 at 3:44am
I find ABS balls much better. 
Unfortunatelly ,on most official tournaments here , we use old plastic balls instead of ABS balls. 

Have you switched to ABS ball ?


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Same here in UK. Tournaments are sponsored by local TT vendors so, alas, until such vendors sell out their non-ABS ball inventory, we're stuck.

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Yes, and they are terrible. Massive
reduction in spin and speed which means
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The day when you kill the rally with 1 or 2 powerful topspin strokes (without boosting) is probably over.

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Hi,

Going back to the beginning of this era, I have found the plastic ball implementation interesting in the USA.  Clearly is recalled what occurred in what I term "the first year of the plastic ball," the ITTF commitment to the new ball in their competitions, the terrible quality in bounce, roundness, and overall consistency.

I said at that time that it will be interesting to see how the equipment ruling class approaches this new era, as the celluloid ball is still legal and approved for competitions everywhere except with the ITTF events.  My incorrect speculation was that, in the USA, the equipment dealers, via their sponsorships of USATT tournaments, would logically and prudently burn through their stock of very high quality 3-star celluloids until these balls were close to extinction, then switch to the new, awful plastics.  I couldn't have been more incorrect, as the USATT tournaments immediately embraced the new plastics, promoting both these awful balls and dust on the plastic ball boxes in their warehouses.  I was more than a little disappointed in this nonsense, considering that the quality status of these new balls was terrible when juxtaposed to the great celluloid balls.

Through the years I've accumulated anecdotal information from a number of non-asian countries on the approach to this situation, finding that, essentially, my prediction of the burn-through-the-celluloids strategy was embraced as described above.  It seems that many countries are just now transitioning to the plastic balls.  

Again, it seems, the USA stood out just when it shouldn't.  This is reminiscent of the USTTA banning of sponge rackets when they were introduced, immediately putting America way behind in table tennis development.  

The USA has consistently demonstrated confidence.

Thanks.   


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In Belgium leagues, we still use the plastic balls, generally xhushuofa
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I've been using Nittakku 3* Premium 40+ plastic balls since they came out, and they are exceptional.  All of the tournaments I run use them, and most of the tournaments I participate in use them as well unless they are specifically sponsored by a manufacturer (i.e Joola Teams or something like that).  I've found the ABS balls to be far superior to any other previous generation of plastic balls (i.e. seamless Xushaofa balls, which tend to shatter on edge impact, are lighter than ABS balls, and tend to float a lot rather than have a consistent ball flight imho).

I've also tried some other ABS plastic balls since they've come out such as DHS's D40+ ball and Butterfly's A40+ ball and found them both to be acceptable alternatives to Nittaku, though I still feel the Nittakku is the best overall 40+ Ball on the market.

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Whats the difference in short between ABS balls and plastic balls?
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Same story here. Depending on the area or the seller we one that the seller is interested about selling it. We use from Xushaofa (first& most common) to old gen Butterfly G series or Nittaku Premium or relabelled Xushaofa like Joola Flash. It's a hassle
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Originally posted by Pr1nc Pr1nc wrote:

Whats the difference in short between ABS balls and plastic balls?

ABS is just a different type of plastic, specifically: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylonitrile_butadiene_styrene

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Where I can find this ABS balls?
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Originally posted by cftt-blades cftt-blades wrote:

I've been using Nittakku 3* Premium 40+ plastic balls since they came out, and they are exceptional.  All of the tournaments I run use them, and most of the tournaments I participate in use them as well unless they are specifically sponsored by a manufacturer (i.e Joola Teams or something like that).  I've found the ABS balls to be far superior to any other previous generation of plastic balls (i.e. seamless Xushaofa balls, which tend to shatter on edge impact, are lighter than ABS balls, and tend to float a lot rather than have a consistent ball flight imho).

I've also tried some other ABS plastic balls since they've come out such as DHS's D40+ ball and Butterfly's A40+ ball and found them both to be acceptable alternatives to Nittaku, though I still feel the Nittakku is the best overall 40+ Ball on the market.


This is it - consistency and predictability of bounce and trajectory is the key reason why ABS balls are superior. 
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Originally posted by juanma4080 juanma4080 wrote:

Where I can find this ABS balls?

DHS D40+
TSP CP40+
Donic P40+
San Wei ABS Pro
Joola Prime ABS
Butterfly A40+

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Originally posted by cftt-blades cftt-blades wrote:

Originally posted by Pr1nc Pr1nc wrote:

Whats the difference in short between ABS balls and plastic balls?


ABS is just a different type of plastic, specifically: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylonitrile_butadiene_styrene



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I´ve changed to DHS D40+ but 1 star ball is terrible. I only play with 3 star D40+.
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I feel that decision is more or less made for me by tournament organizers: Westchester is now using GEWO ABS ball, Joola Teams is going with Joola Prime flavor of it, so it kind of makes sense to use it in club play as well...
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Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Westchester is now using GEWO ABS ball...

Does this ball (Gewo Select Pro 40+) play like D40+ and other similar ABS balls?
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Originally posted by PythonMonty PythonMonty wrote:

Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Westchester is now using GEWO ABS ball...

Does this ball (Gewo Select Pro 40+) play like D40+ and other similar ABS balls?

I was told it's the same ball as DHS D40+, made in the same factory. Color was a bit different, IMHO, with a yellowish tint, but it played similar, at least to me. 
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Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

Same here in UK. Tournaments are sponsored by local TT vendors so, alas, until such vendors sell out their non-ABS ball inventory, we're stuck.


Not for all UK tournaments. For English tournaments, this was announced by TTE on 15 Aug 18:

The London-based company were chosen following a tender process and will supply Sanwei ABS Pro 40+ 3*** balls for the following competitions:

  • PG Mutual National Championships
  • PG Mutual Cadet & Junior National Championships
  • PG Mutual U10-U13 National Championships
  • Senior British League
  • County Championships
  • National Junior League and National Cadet League
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Hi,

So, with the Butterfly announcement of the A40+, it appears, at the 3 star level, we have before us a bicameral world:  Nittaku 3 star 40+ Premium and the ABS space.

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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Again, it seems, the USA stood out just when it shouldn't.

Not quite. In Europe, smaller federations such as Belgium or England have switched very early on, with the first new balls tournaments being played in 2014.

Larger federations like France or Germany took longer, likely due to inertia and logistics involved within the many clubs.
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DOUBLE Fish V40+ is the cheapest. We like them so much.
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I had purchased butterfly a40+ and played with them. Although they are seamed, bounce is very much similar to Yinhe 3 star seamless. Considering the lightness of these balls, several players at the club have a second opinion to go on a match on A40, and instead opted for nittaku. Good for training, but not so good for a game.   

Being said, my preference goes to DHS D40+. Pretty good for the price, heavier than A40, just a tad little lighter than nittaku, durable with thicker seam and spinwise, as good as nittaku. Probably, you might find one/two eggs in a pack of 10 balls, but $7 for pack of 10 balls is worth it. 
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Originally posted by Tinykin Tinykin wrote:

Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

Same here in UK. Tournaments are sponsored by local TT vendors so, alas, until such vendors sell out their non-ABS ball inventory, we're stuck.


Not for all UK tournaments. For English tournaments, this was announced by TTE on 15 Aug 18:

The London-based company were chosen following a tender process and will supply Sanwei ABS Pro 40+ 3*** balls for the following competitions:

  • PG Mutual National Championships
  • PG Mutual Cadet & Junior National Championships
  • PG Mutual U10-U13 National Championships
  • Senior British League
  • County Championships
  • National Junior League and National Cadet League
  • National Cups (U12, Cadet and Junior)


IMO, that's not enough and is irrelevant to the over-21 of TTE competition/player members (don't they constitute the majority of TTE's membership?). That list excludes Gran Prix, senior/vets rating 1-2* tournaments. All these still use non-ABS seamless balls. Same most likely applies to the majority of local leagues. Some tournaments still use the old crappy seamed balls precisely because that what the tournament sponsor was magnanimous enough to spare :-(


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Rather stick to the usuals yo. Not so sure about these new thingsSmile
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Originally posted by Stavros Stavros wrote:

I find ABS balls much better. 
Unfortunatelly ,on most official tournaments here , we use old plastic balls instead of ABS balls. 

Have you switched to ABS ball ?




Yes.  They are infinitely better.  Especially the Nittakus.
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Originally posted by patelaaaa patelaaaa wrote:

I had purchased butterfly a40+ and played with them. Although they are seamed, bounce is very much similar to Yinhe 3 star seamless. Considering the lightness of these balls, several players at the club have a second opinion to go on a match on A40, and instead opted for nittaku. Good for training, but not so good for a game.   

Being said, my preference goes to DHS D40+. Pretty good for the price, heavier than A40, just a tad little lighter than nittaku, durable with thicker seam and spinwise, as good as nittaku. Probably, you might find one/two eggs in a pack of 10 balls, but $7 for pack of 10 balls is worth it. 


If you actually weigh them on a balance, the D40+ is a bit heavier than Nittaku Premium (average if 2.73 g vs 2.68 gram for Nittaku).

D40+ is a good ball, especially for the price.  I prefer Nittaku but am perfectly happy to play with D40+.  Nittakus are more consistent in their production quality.
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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

So, with the Butterfly announcement of the A40+, it appears, at the 3 star level, we have before us a bicameral world:  Nittaku 3 star 40+ Premium and the ABS space.

Thanks.


Nittaku 3* 40+ premium is an ABS ball, indeed it was the first one on the market (2014).
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Originally posted by PythonMonty PythonMonty wrote:

Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Westchester is now using GEWO ABS ball...

Does this ball (Gewo Select Pro 40+) play like D40+ and other similar ABS balls?


I haven't played with this particular one, but the odds are great that it is made in the same factory as either D40+ or the Double Fish V40+.  However, Gewo (and the other companies that sell ABS) can stipulate the production standards they will accept for weight, roundness, etc.  By the way, this has been true for a long time now.  Stiga, Tibhar, Donic, etc. etc. don't own their own ball factories (not in the celluloid era and not now).  In fact there are a relatively small number of places where these things are made.  Nittaku has their own facility in Japan (but they have always had a deal with DHS to have them make a cheaper Nittaku ball in China). 

What this all means is that they will probably play pretty similar, but, since Gewo always sells a quality product, there might be a lower percentage of bad ones among the Gewo.

I have posted a lot on this thread and forgot to mention one thing.  A really big advantage of D40+ vs Nittaku is durability.  They last a really long time.  The Nittaku Premium ABS does get shiny on the surface sooner (this was also a feature of their celluloid balls).  So Nittaku starts of playing better (IMHO) but D40+ will stay good longer.
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our league is a mess, we play with ABS, seamless AND celluloid, depending on the club and it sucks.
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Originally posted by Hozuki Hozuki wrote:

our league is a mess, we play with ABS, seamless AND celluloid, depending on the club and it sucks.


That would drive me insane.  Take heart though.  This can't go on like that forever.  Although to be honest, I am surprised you still find celluloid balls.

Where I live it is 100% ABS.  Nittaku or D40+ for the most part.
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