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Tibhar Evolution EL-S and FX-S |
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purpletiesto
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Are you sure you're talking about the same rubbers? Mine are in awesome condition, but I do have Joola 12mm foam edge tape. Couldn't be happier, great combo and great price. Xiom Strad + EL-S.
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There are people who can't stand Tenergy 05 and it is the best rubber in the world and also crumbles around the edges. At the amateur levels, rubbers are a bit of a personal taste. I played a 2200 player who used Mark V on his forehand and when I asked him why he said it was a rubber which did what he wanted it to do. And his forehand loop was his best stroke.
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GSOM_GSOM11
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Can EL-S or FX-S be a substitute for Rozena on Bh?
Rozena delivers a spinny loop within a wide range of power applied. You may do it with a rather lazy stroke, or you may whip it with full-power a-la Kreanga, and both loops have good spin and trajectory. Do these Evo's allow such a variety of loops? |
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Depends on what you mean by loop drive. I think FX-S is highly underrated but the whole series is for people who mostly brush loop. Loop driving with these rubbers is mostly a variation of your looping technique and may require you to adjust your approach which is why many people used to driving with a different technique from their loop usually don't get them or like the extra effort. |
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piligrim
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what blade he using? what on BH? pips? |
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GSOM_GSOM11
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So, with these rubbers you must brush the ball and cannot attack with more pressure on the ball, like Kreanga or Steger do their BH loopkills? |
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You can , but it won't be a hitting stroke and it takes more effort than some would like and you might not get the arc of say Tenergy. It's an individual preference thing some people who like Chinese style loops will like the rubbers but others who don't may or may not. That said if your focus is on speed, FX-S is your best bet. |
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GSOM_GSOM11
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Can't understand you... "It won't be a hitting stroke", but "chinese style loop is preferred". But chinese style means more hitting 'through' the ball than brushing 'around' it. Where is the truth? Should I hit more through or more around the ball?
And about the throw angle. Could you compare Fx-s to 05, 80, 64, Rozena or MX-P? |
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Stavros
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I still believe that the best Tibhar rubber for chinese style loop "more hitting through the ball than brushing" is the underrated QUANTUM S.
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Chinese style is brushing. FX-S for me is similar to T05FX.
Edited by NextLevel - 01/04/2018 at 9:14am |
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GSOM_GSOM11
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The best way to use a Chinese rubber is to hit through the ball whenever possible. Wang Liqin or Ma Long brush-loop only when the ball is low and and there is some heavy or unclear spin on it. Otherwize they hammer it with help of their rather flexible blades. Chinese rubbers help them to impart spin even with such a 'thick' contact, which would bottom-out a euro rubber to turn their spinny hit into a flat one.
I got the point that FX-S is not designed for this style but for brushing and you have to spin the ball as much as possible. Thanks a lot 😀 Edited by GSOM_GSOM11 - 01/04/2018 at 2:55pm |
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GSOM_GSOM11
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Is Quantum S a Tibhar's analog for Acuda Blue P2? |
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Thick contact is not the same as hitting through the ball. Brush looping means taking a spin based approach to all balls. With Euro rubbers you can take a hitting approach to more balls and still get a good response. With Chinese tacky rubbers, if your approach is not spin based, the rubber will not respond. That is why many Chinese players don't smash with their tacky rubbers, it is because they can't hit the ball with the speed of an Euro rubber. They loop drive even the high balls with tacky rubber.
Edited by NextLevel - 01/04/2018 at 4:26pm |
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Loop drive, not brush. In fact, they loop drive MOST of the balls. But they do not brush, if we consider brushing as thin contact, mostly with the topsheet. Otherwize we must consider ANY loop as brushing, "anything that is not a flat slap is brushing", and this obviously mixes terms up.
Chinese loop which goes through the ball with power, but the hard sponge allows to spin the ball at the same time is anything but not brushing. This loop gives a specific loud cracking sound from the sponge and blade, while a brush-loop with Chinese rubber usually gives no sound at all. |
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Words are words, people say thin brush and thick brush all the time, my point is that you cannot hit relatively flat with Chinese rubbers and get good results but you can do so with Euro rubbers. Sometimes thick brush is more about sponge hardness than it is about the topsheet, but in general, the -S series is for people who like to spin on all their shots, not for people who like to sometimes smash drive which is very common amingst Euro rubber users. |
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mog1111
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next level how long have you been back on mx-s?
im experimenting with el-s (because I have a sheet) to get the best out of my balsa blade which I now use for lp hitting on bh, getting good results. nearly stopped ejing just sorting out the fh rubber now |
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GSOM_GSOM11
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Thanks for clearing the mess 😀 I don't belong to that kind of users who smash a lot of balls with their BH. It's a flaw in my skills, but I'm not good at BH flat game and try to spin all of my BH shots with more or less thick contact.
If FX-S has got a wide dynamic range, i.e. creates a spinny shot with a half-hearted stroke and at the same time can stand a very fast arm swing over the top of the ball - then it looks like my cup of tea. I didn't like P-series on BH because on my blades (Acoustic, Tenor) there was too much speed or too low spin, resulting in flat-ish trajectories and balls often going long even after the most brushing motion. -S can fix this, I suppose. |
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A month now. I don't think MX-S will suit you based on what I Saw of your game. Greater miracles have happened though - it's just TT rubber.
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mog1111
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no el-s has seemed the best on my balsa, however my game is quite different now with lp on bh
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Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon
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I wouldn't say it stands a very fast arm stroke over the top of the ball, but I would say that it can create pretty fast and spinny balls if your focus is on spin. It is not a hard rubber, so it has limitations. Put everything in context. But if you like to loop, -S series is good. They don't have power, but they have spin.
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Stavros
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Many say so but I haven't play Acuda Blue P2 long enough.
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