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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

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Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Let me know if anyone wants a German video translated. I know that Timo boll has his own YouTube channel, so that might be interesting.

I'll call your bluff.Smile

This video is long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu0JxGEzYoM&feature=youtu.be

However it looks informative. When he's talking about the backhand topspin technique it appears he's demonstrating a different technique from what most players use, but apparently the newer ones like FZD are using it. That's just my guess.

If you think this video is worthwhile as a teaching tool can you translate some of it?

I think the Korean guy actually was demonstrating the supination technique! You can see the difference between Timo Boll's BH which doesn't use a lot of supination (mostly spinny BH but not really that powerful) compared to even the guy's own topspin (which looks more powerful). You can see the forearm rotation and the pressing down of the bat angle which is a signature of the supination technique!

I'm an idiot. Even when shadowing my backhand top-spin drive I didn't see or feel supination, but when I slowed it down, guess what I saw? Ayuuuuh! Talk about complete self-unawareness. For me it just happens naturally, and am completely unaware of a conscious effort to do it. It is probably the only thing in table tennis I do naturally that is correct.

So now I am 100% in your camp. Not rolling the forearm seems unnatural to me.Smile  

TTGold: Thanks, I will look for your comments. (All of TTR-Hunter's videos look interesting to me. He has one video with English sub-titles, but it was from 2010. He's posted a lot more content since then. How much of it would actually be beneficial rather than interesting, I don't know.)

Edited to add: When I say rolling the forearm I don't mean to the point where my wrist is facing completely upwards.. 

I have played on and off for about 10 years and never noticed it haha.... For me I had the opposite experience, if you supinate fully you'll get even more power and spin! For me my wrist now faces upwards at the end of the stroke, with the blade, wrist and arm forming a straight line.

Maybe I did not explain clearly. I don't think we had the opposite experience. I just never noticed the supination. My wrist will face upwards, but not to the point where my forearm or wrist is parallel to the ground. Do you supinate your wrist and forearm to that extent?
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Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by Ieyasu Ieyasu wrote:

Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Let me know if anyone wants a German video translated. I know that Timo boll has his own YouTube channel, so that might be interesting.

I'll call your bluff.Smile

This video is long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu0JxGEzYoM&feature=youtu.be

However it looks informative. When he's talking about the backhand topspin technique it appears he's demonstrating a different technique from what most players use, but apparently the newer ones like FZD are using it. That's just my guess.

If you think this video is worthwhile as a teaching tool can you translate some of it?

I think the Korean guy actually was demonstrating the supination technique! You can see the difference between Timo Boll's BH which doesn't use a lot of supination (mostly spinny BH but not really that powerful) compared to even the guy's own topspin (which looks more powerful). You can see the forearm rotation and the pressing down of the bat angle which is a signature of the supination technique!

I'm an idiot. Even when shadowing my backhand top-spin drive I didn't see or feel supination, but when I slowed it down, guess what I saw? Ayuuuuh! Talk about complete self-unawareness. For me it just happens naturally, and am completely unaware of a conscious effort to do it. It is probably the only thing in table tennis I do naturally that is correct.

So now I am 100% in your camp. Not rolling the forearm seems unnatural to me.Smile  

TTGold: Thanks, I will look for your comments. (All of TTR-Hunter's videos look interesting to me. He has one video with English sub-titles, but it was from 2010. He's posted a lot more content since then. How much of it would actually be beneficial rather than interesting, I don't know.)

Edited to add: When I say rolling the forearm I don't mean to the point where my wrist is facing completely upwards.. 

I have played on and off for about 10 years and never noticed it haha.... For me I had the opposite experience, if you supinate fully you'll get even more power and spin! For me my wrist now faces upwards at the end of the stroke, with the blade, wrist and arm forming a straight line.

Maybe I did not explain clearly. I don't think we had the opposite experience. I just never noticed the supination. My wrist will face upwards, but not to the point where my forearm or wrist is parallel to the ground. Do you supinate your wrist and forearm to that extent?

Actually it really depends on the incoming ball... against heavier topspin that is indeed the angle...
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Actually it really depends on the incoming ball... against heavier topspin that is indeed the angle...

Okay, I'll buy that. Good point. I was shadowing against a light topspin ball. Wink
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Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

Originally posted by liulin04 liulin04 wrote:

It's about time for the red guy to learn to loop properly.  All these years he finally realized his old way of forehand looping wasn't effective...

I could be wrong, but I feel like the tone of the videos are more like him pretending to play the student, even if he of course knows most of what he's being told.

Also, I'm not sure if it's inefficient or not, at least for what he's trying to achieve. He's a high level player, but not a pro player. That said, everyone has room to improve, even him. So maybe he will incorporate more of that into his game :)

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Can't wait for the translations to come up! Do they have something similar for the BH topspin?

Yeah, it's taking longer than the first video I did. I didn't email them this time to ask. But last time they said to give them a few days, and if they haven't approved the subtitles, email them and they'll do it asap. So hopefully it'll be approved tomorrow (it's midnight in Japan now, so I doubt it'll happen until at least the morning).

They'll definitely have a lot of videos on the BH topspin. Hopefully someone will choose one they'd like subbed? Wink

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Hi mickd maybe add this to the list, it seems to have some info about the BH topspin :)


Yeah, sure. That's only a 3 minute video, so it'll take a lot less time to sub. That said, it's not a WRM video, and Butterfly hasn't allowed community contributions onto the video. If I do sub it, I'm not sure what's the best way. Maybe I can download the video, upload it as an unlisted video and add subs to it myself and just post it here?

Hey mickd sorry for the late reply, actually I was thinking more about a post here just with some times + translation would do the trick! 

Here's another service video for the hook serve to add to your list ;) 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t-xRqfTUTn0

Pushing against topspin serves
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rRyfhpHLeIQ

How to add extreme spin to pushes?
https://youtu.be/kpHAj0u8sJY


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Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Let me know if anyone wants a German video translated. I know that Timo boll has his own YouTube channel, so that might be interesting.

There is a lot of TTR Hunter stuff I want translated but it can pretty long.  If you want compensation,  let me know but the one I am thinking of Is the 10 most common mistakes that players make.
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Hey mickd sorry for the late reply, actually I was thinking more about a post here just with some times + translation would do the trick! 

Here's another service video for the hook serve to add to your list ;) 


Pushing against topspin serves

How to add extreme spin to pushes?

Hey, no problem! I'll have a look at those and maybe eventually get to them all haha. One is super long so I'm not looking forward to that. Gucchy looks so young back then with long hair. The last one has Japanese subtitles, which will be a HUGE help.

As for my blade, I'm using Hurricane Long 3. I've been using it for 2 years now.
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YOU ARE THE f**kING BOSS MICKD.

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You're welcome! I'm glad you like it Smile I'll try finish another video sometime next week. I have a free day next week to work on it. Hopefully with practice I'll get faster.
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Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

You're welcome! I'm glad you like it Smile I'll try finish another video sometime next week. I have a free day next week to work on it. Hopefully with practice I'll get faster.

Fantastic work. Loved the backhand serve one. Although I am not going to just replicate their version I got at least two new aspects to modify my own to make the serve more deceptive. Really looking forward to the pendulum one as my pendulum serve tends to be too obvious between backspin Vs topspin in my opinion.

Do they have a punch serve tutorial on their channel? If so idI love that one too.
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Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

You're welcome! I'm glad you like it Smile I'll try finish another video sometime next week. I have a free day next week to work on it. Hopefully with practice I'll get faster.

Fantastic work. Loved the backhand serve one. Although I am not going to just replicate their version I got at least two new aspects to modify my own to make the serve more deceptive. Really looking forward to the pendulum one as my pendulum serve tends to be too obvious between backspin Vs topspin in my opinion.

Do they have a punch serve tutorial on their channel? If so idI love that one too.

That's the really long video I added to mickd's list haha... For FH pendulum I suspect the principles are the same, ie serve backspin and topspin using the same 45 deg blade angle and only varying the direction of the wrist movement which is easily disguised by fake motions in the arm. 
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Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

Originally posted by liulin04 liulin04 wrote:

It's about time for the red guy to learn to loop properly.  All these years he finally realized his old way of forehand looping wasn't effective...

To loop properly? Kinda harsh statement there, don't you think?
Ghuccy is about 2500 - 2600 here, he came to US Open several times, I am sure he can whack you and me like flies lol Big smile

well I know Guchi personally and even beat him his rating is nowhere near that and if it's US table tennis level isn't really as good as i thought. His friend Xia the penholder is much higher level.
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Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Fantastic work. Loved the backhand serve one. Although I am not going to just replicate their version I got at least two new aspects to modify my own to make the serve more deceptive.

You're welcome! I've also been trying to add the principles I learned to my current serves. I think that's a legit way to go since serves are extremely personal!

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

That's the really long video I added to mickd's list haha...

Hopefully I can get to them all eventually :) I suspect you're right and the principles are the same, but I haven't had a chance to watch it yet!

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Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

... Ghuccy is about 2500 - 2600 here, ...

well I know Guchi personally and even beat him his rating is nowhere near that and if it's US table tennis level isn't really as good as i thought. His friend Xia the penholder is much higher level.

I think his current rating of ~2400 is probably pretty accurate. He lost to a 2700 and a 2500. He won everyone else, with the highest being ~2300. Maybe 2500-2600 is on the high end, though! By the way, when did you get the chance to play him? I'd love to play him, even if I'd just get smashed ha.
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Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

... Ghuccy is about 2500 - 2600 here, ...

well I know Guchi personally and even beat him his rating is nowhere near that and if it's US table tennis level isn't really as good as i thought. His friend Xia the penholder is much higher level.

I think his current rating of ~2400 is probably pretty accurate. He lost to a 2700 and a 2500. He won everyone else, with the highest being ~2300. Maybe 2500-2600 is on the high end, though! By the way, when did you get the chance to play him? I'd love to play him, even if I'd just get smashed ha.
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Well not really  ratings are not accurate if you haven't played at least 5 rating tournaments imho. Because they have do with best win with worst loss. He could have beaten a 2300 but that doesn't he beats 5 or 10 of them for example.

A good friend of mine is a japanese youtuber and did a collaboration with WRM so I played both Xia and Guchi. I also invited some friends over so they played them aswell.
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That's very cool. Maybe you're underestimating your own skill too much? ;) I do agree with you that 2500-2600 is on the high end, but based on your reply, it seems like you think he'd be a lot less than 2400, too. Hopefully one day he'll come and play in a bunch more tournaments and we'll know for sure ha. I'm only speculating based off his one tournament and other videos I see. So you could very well be right. You've also got the experience of playing him to back it up.
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The desceptive BH serve tutorial is the absolute best video I ever watched on the topic:


The only critic is that in the side to side videos, the receiver opens his paddle more to receive topspin than he does to receive underspin but I understand it's for a good teaching cause.

Thanks a lot for the translation, the following tips are pure gold:

-handle points towards the top or server's head during the whole swing 
-the paddle is 1/2 vertical during the whole swing (45 degrees)
-if we contact with the tip of the head it's a topspin, if we contact with the sweet spot or between the sweet spot and the handle, it's a bit random, between slight side underspin and clear side underspin.

Note: the 2 1st tips force the wrist to be hanging loose which forces smoothness, relaxation and encourages the snap at contact.

I am sure it's a bit more complicated that that but it's enough to get a thread to pull from and build a strong bh serve from there, it's simple and correct enough a framework to develop a strong bh serve, thanks again.


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Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

Originally posted by liulin04 liulin04 wrote:

It's about time for the red guy to learn to loop properly.  All these years he finally realized his old way of forehand looping wasn't effective...

To loop properly? Kinda harsh statement there, don't you think?
Ghuccy is about 2500 - 2600 here, he came to US Open several times, I am sure he can whack you and me like flies lol Big smile

well I know Guchi personally and even beat him his rating is nowhere near that and if it's US table tennis level isn't really as good as i thought. His friend Xia the penholder is much higher level.

You are right, I think he is around 2400s or 2500 max..
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Mickd, could you translate this?
I am fascinated with this guy's serves..

Thank you so much!!
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Hey, sorry. I've been busier than I thought I would be (graduation season) so hopefully I can get back to it soon. At worst, I'll be able to get some done during the spring break.

@dual700 Sure, I'll add it to the list. I like how that guy is also a teacher. Being able to play at that level while working as a teacher is extremely impressive, especially with all of the extra overtime hours.
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Thanks Mickd!! Clap
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Wow i just saw this for the first time. This is awesome, thank you for the work!
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Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

Mickd, could you translate this?
I am fascinated with this guy's serves..

Thank you so much!!
+1 I know a couple guys who kill me with that serve, maybe to better understand it I need to learn it myself.
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Yeah, imagine being lucky enough to have him as their school table tennis club teacher haha.

You're welcome, beeray1. More to come in time!!

Some of my students loved that serve. When they got it right, it was nearly impossible to return safely. I had to attack all long ones because if I was passive, the ball would at best pop for them to attack and at worse not even hit the table ha. Theirs were nowhere as tricky as that guy's, though. They also couldn't control length and placement well.

I had a look through the video and it actually looks relatively easy to subtitle. Very little I'll need to confirm or look up.
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Hey, Mickd. Are you doing any more translations?  Do you have links for any that were completed and published?  I've watched the BH serve one several times and thanks a lot for that one.  And the FH loop one was interesting, although not as useful to me.  But it seemed like you were going to do more.
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

Mickd, could you translate this?
I am fascinated with this guy's serves..

Thank you so much!!
+1 I know a couple guys who kill me with that serve, maybe to better understand it I need to learn it myself.
+1, I want to understand it too,

In the meantime, we can check out this 



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the forehand and deceptive backhand service videos are pretty good
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Sorry guys! I haven't forgotten about this. I had some work problems the last few months. It's finally being sorted (kinda). I since had to cut my table tennis time in half and various other things. I still plan to do more! I actually saw another serve video by WRM that looks really interesting too. I saw it before bed so I didn't watch the whole thing, but it was good.

I was hoping to write this reply with a completed translation, but the work problems have taken a lot more time than I expected.
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Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

Sorry guys! I haven't forgotten about this. I had some work problems the last few months. It's finally being sorted (kinda). I since had to cut my table tennis time in half and various other things. I still plan to do more! I actually saw another serve video by WRM that looks really interesting too. I saw it before bed so I didn't watch the whole thing, but it was good.

I was hoping to write this reply with a completed translation, but the work problems have taken a lot more time than I expected.

Thanks for thinking about us Mick, 
There are some existencial things more important than translating videos for TTComUnity, Work and money income is one of those, we understand that and we can wait patiently. When you post new translation it will be a happy event for us, meantime, Good luck, and get your current work problems resolved for good.
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Thank you. I'll have another one finished soon. I was actually working on it for the last 2 hours, and while switching between the dictionary and the YouTube subtitle editor, I accidentally clicked the cross on the tab T_T. You'd think it'll be okay because YouTube auto-saves as you type, but for some reason all the timings are now completely off..

If you're willing to help, of course you're welcome, shinchan! I'm just translating the videos on the WRM channel. If you go to any video (maybe one of the ones that others would like translated), and click on the Settings button on the bottom right of the video, then go to Subtitles, you can add your own. It'll take you to YouTube's built in subtitle editor. Once you finish adding them all and timing it, just press submit and wait for WRM to approve it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mickd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/24/2019 at 12:38am
Okay, I fixed and finished it. I did the tutorial on the tomahawk serve (I don't know if there's a different term for the one where you squat down as you're doing it, but I just called it tomahawk).

And yeah, shinchan, if you're going to work on any, let me know which so we don't accidentally do the same ones :)

I'll update after WRM approves the subtitles. If they haven't in a few days, I'll email them like before!
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